I support the policy and note that: The costs to implement are practically
zero. Some community members have requested this ability, who are we to gainsay
their reasons? The changes to the NRPM are tiny and discrete. No downsides to
the implementation this policy have been offered in any comments, if the need
is tiny, so is ARIN staff time expended. APNIC and RIPE are already engaged in
this process with no ill effects. Regards, Mike ---- On Mon, 13 Aug 2018
19:00:28 -0400 Steven Ryerse <[email protected]> wrote ---- +1
Steven Ryerse President 100 Ashford Center North, Suite 110, Atlanta, GA 30338
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<[email protected]> On Behalf Of Scott Leibrand Sent: Monday, August
13, 2018 6:52 PM To: Job Snijders <[email protected]> Cc: ARIN-PPML List
<[email protected]> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2018-1: Allow Inter-regional
ASN Transfers If you operate a network with peering sessions, and you are
forced to renumber your ASN, you either need to convince all of your peers to
set up new sessions (which can be a lot of work, and usually means at least
some of them will refuse/fail to do so), or you need to local-as prepend the
old ASN onto your new one, resulting in a longer AS path over that session.
Both outcomes are disruptive to a network's ability to maintain peering.
Given that there are valid technical and business justifications for needing to
keep the same ASN on a network whose locus of control switches continents, I
believe it is appropriate to allow organizations who need to do so to transfer
administrative control of their ASN between RIRs, and therefore support this
draft policy. While it is certainly possible for some networks to easily
renumber their ASN, that is not true of all networks, for valid technical
reasons. I therefore do not find arguments of the "I've never needed to do
that" or "I can't imagine why someone would need to do that" informative or
convincing. To my mind, the only argument that would justify opposing ASN
transfers would be one that details how such transfers would be burdensome to
the RIRs or to the Internet community more generally, and would further show
that such burden is greater than the benefit to those organizations it would
help. As I, Job, and others have detailed the kind of organization that would
be benefited by this proposal, it's not sufficient to assert that such
organization do not (or should not) exist. -Scott On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at
3:36 PM Job Snijders <[email protected]> wrote: On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 at 01:23, Larry
Ash <[email protected]> wrote: On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 14:47:09 -0700 Owen DeLong
<[email protected]> wrote: >> On Aug 13, 2018, at 14:42 , Job Snijders
<[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I agree with the proposal. >> >> I think this
proposal is needed and addresses practical concerns: the alternative to
transfers is “renumbering”, and renumbering >>ASNs is a very costly and
operationally risky proposition. There is no upside to restricting or
forbidding this type of resource >>transfer. >> >> A question that remains: if
you don’t want to transfer your ASN in or out of ARIN, then don’t, but why
forbid others from doing >>it? All resources should be transferable. > > We can
agree to disagree. I agree with Owen, I just can't see a burning need.
Renumbering seems to be a bugaboo that is just not that difficult. Even if
you don’t see a need, would you want to preclude others from transferring their
resource if they concluded it is a requirement for their business operation?
I would think the transfer of the ASN would as costly, difficult and risky as
migrating the resources onto a new ASN. I’m puzzled by your statement.
Renumbering an ASN may involve operations on hundreds of routers and tens of
thousands of BGP sessions - such renumbering clearly is costly and
operationally risky. Transferring a resource from one RIR to another RIR is
paperwork between RIRs - no router changes. A transfer and a renumbering don’t
seem comparable at all. Do you consider IPv4 transfers costly and risky too?
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