Jordi, you're being naive by not considering the true reasons of the members of the AC.
Marilson Em sáb, 27 de abr de 2019 às 05:35, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML < [email protected]> escreveu: > Hi Owen, > > I will be interesting to have figures about this in all the RIRs. How many > are members, how many not, how many are clearly intentional vs fat fingers, > etc. > > Somebody already replied with an example of a member hijacking ... and > this is interesting, because you know the excuse I get every other day from > spammers that keep using my email addresses when I complain because they > haven't deleted them from their databases? > > "I'm sorry, it was a mistake, we deleted your email from the wrong > database" "we recovered it from the wrong backup" day after day even if > they have no right to firstly register my email without previous and > explicit consent ! > > I know is a totally different topic but a good way to respond if members > follow rules/policies/laws and is good or not to remember those rules with > explicit text, so excuses are not longer excusable. > > Regards, > Jordi > > > El 27/4/19 1:30, "Owen DeLong" <[email protected]> escribió: > > > > > On Apr 26, 2019, at 13:54 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi Owen, > > > > So, you believe that if an ARIN member is repeatedly misusing the > resources from another member, is just fine and the ARIN membership which > rules are the policies, should not care about this behavior and members > should not get their exclusive rights to use their allocated resources > protected by policies? > > No… I believe that it is unlikely that ARIN members are the ones > repeatedly misusing the resources. > > Really, do you have some reason to believe that the majority of > hijackers are actually RIR members? I have pretty strong reason based on > both experience/observation of past hijacking events and my understanding > of the social fabric of RIRs to believe that is unlikely. > > > In other words. Will you at least support something in the line of: > > "The resources are allocated for the exclusive use of the recipient. > Consequently, other members can't use them (unless authorized by the > legitimate resource-holder) and not following this rule is a policy > violation”. > > Sure, but what’s the point? If it’s non-members that are committing > the hijacking (and I believe that is the case), what good does a > restriction on other members do? > > It’s sort of like saying “Law abiding citizens, please be aware that > breaking the law will make you a non-law abiding citizen.” > > It’s a lovely little tautology, but at the end of the day, it’s still > a no-op. > > Owen > > > > > > ********************************************** > IPv4 is over > Are you ready for the new Internet ? > http://www.theipv6company.com > The IPv6 Company > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or > confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of > the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized > disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this > information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly > prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the > intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or > use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including > attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal > offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this > communication and delete it. > > > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >
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