But is not the real unfairness issue being able to receive more space from
the list than those that apply now?
That is the issue I have a problem with. Along with the fact that without
free pools, there is little to give out in the first place.
Albert Erdmann
Network Administrator
Paradise On Line Inc.
On Mon, 2 Nov 2020, Brandt, Jason via ARIN-PPML wrote:
It's the time spent on the list. I waited 11 months on the list before getting
my allocation. Most of the organizations affected are likely to have spent
significant time on the list (unfortunately I do not have the exact data on
time spent waiting for affected orgs). Spending time waiting, then get put to
the back of the line so to speak and have to do it again, that's the issue.
That was time wasted that could've been spent making other arrangements, hence
they were penalized.
Jason
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On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 8:42 AM Brandt, Jason via ARIN-PPML <[email protected]>
wrote:
I find it hard to understand how you can believe that this is "special
benefits".
Grandfathering is a common technique that addresses inequities changes create.
Governments do it and business does it. To some extent, the could be called
"special benefits". However, the context of that is different, some feel the
benefits create an inequity rather than resolve one.
Organizations went through the approved process to get on the wait list
to *possibly* be assigned an address block. The policy on allocations
was changed, however the organizations did everything by the book per
previous policy. The organization is now told that they have to go through
the process again and wait longer. This has nothing to do with potential
space allocation. I am all for limiting the allocation amount in the
future. However, to penalize an organization that has followed the
process to this point is unfair. This also is no guarantee that these
organizations will receive an allocation. More likely, they'll continue
to wait.
This draft policy is simply to not penalize organizations that went
through the proper process of what was approved policy at the time. A
similar scenario would be arresting someone who has broken a law, prior
to the offense becoming law.
The question for me is what, clearly, is the inequity that grandfathering
addresses? Going through the process? Waiting on the list and getting nothing?
There were no guarantees made when a company got on the list as far as I can
tell. The process was minimal and I don't think it in itself requires any
special compensation. This policy, if I read the meeting minutes correctly and
Owen's comments in them, doesn't really help with much at all.
I continue to support this policy, not because I agree that larger
requests should be granted, but because the organizations had followed the
approved process and policies.
I'm not entirely certain where I sit on this. So far I haven't seen strong
arguments one way or the other.
Fair enough. Thank you.
Warm regards,
-M<
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