On Fri, Sep 17, 2021 at 8:26 PM Owen DeLong <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Sep 17, 2021, at 10:57 , David Farmer via ARIN-PPML <[email protected]> > wrote: > > The lines between what is an end-user and what is an ISP are getting very > blurry these days. Is there really a difference between a data center, a > university campus network, an enterprise network, and a small ISP each with > a /20? > > > The use of the term ISP is what makes them blurry… s/ISP/LIR/ and it gets > a lot simpler. > > Are you running an IP registry where you assign and/or allocate addresses > to external downstream organizations? YES-> LIR… NO-> End User. > > Pretty much that simple. >
It ain’t really that simple, I wish it was. > So some small ISPs, especially WISPs, may not actually SWIP any customers, because they don't assign any customers a /29, they just DHCP individual addresses to customers, or they may even NAT their customers. Are they an end-user since they don't SWIP, or an LIR because they are an ISP and sell connectivity? Data centers, run similarly, some do SWIPs and some don’t. Why is it fair the data center that SWIPs gets one rate and the one that doesn’t gets a lower rate, sometimes an order of magnitude lower? They mostly are in the same business, and both usually sell connectivity, why different rates? Why should an enterprise with a few thousand employees get one rate and an ISP with the same number of customers have a much higher rate? Are there networks that much different? Furthermore, an enterprise with a few thousand employees probably has many times the revenue, than the ISP with the same numbers of customers. And, you’ve been advocating for address leasing lately, so LIRs/ISPs, and maybe data centers, get to monetize their addresses, but enterprises can’t? The more addresses are monetized the blurrier the lines get. Further, I’m not sure there ever was that much of a difference in the burden on ARIN, between ISPs and similar sized end-users. Personally, my biggest regret is ARIN didn’t give end-users more than a full years notice to ensure the increases could have been properly put into budgets, and maybe a multi-year phase-in for the largest increases. Nevertheless, it really isn’t as simple as you want to make it. Thanks. -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:[email protected] Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 =============================================== -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:[email protected] Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================
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