If you didn’t notice, my initial contribution to this subthread concluded with the sentence below:
"If you are an operator, ISP, or content provider who would benefit from this, I would recommend that you speak up in order to keep this proposal alive. “ I think that is exactly the definition of encouraging discussion. You’re free to disagree with my assessment, but you and I are not the scorekeepers here. -C > On Sep 21, 2021, at 5:03 PM, Mike Burns <[email protected]> wrote: > > > It's been hours, Chris, and shouldn't you be encouraging discussion rather > than the opposite? > > > Regards, > Mike > > > > > ---- On Tue, 21 Sep 2021 20:01:29 -0400 Chris Woodfield <[email protected]> > wrote ---- > > Given there was a proposal published last week that was withdrawn within > hours by its author*, I don’t think it’s unreasonable at all to start keeping > score WRT the level of community support on this one. And while the > definition of “strong support” is intentionally subjective, my four years > serving on the ARIN AC have informed my opinion that the current AC looks > for, at minimum, a lack of opposition from other segments of the community on > a proposal that appears to have the support of only one. A proposal supported > by the representatives of one segment, and by appearances so far, strongly > opposed by virtually everyone else, tend to have a rather short lifetime on > the AC docket. > > -C > > * Technically the author doesn’t withdraw a proposal, as it’s in the AC’s > hands once published. But in general, I would expect the AC to honor a > proposal author’s request to abandon it. > > On Sep 21, 2021, at 3:48 PM, Mike Burns <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Chris, > > Not sure how experienced you are with this, but this proposal has only been > out for a few hours and any talk about "keeping it alive" is a tad early. > > Also, you might brush up on the concept of ad hominem. It means against the > person(s). It could be only brokers who support a policy and if there are no > valid objections, that support should carry the day. > > Now, do you have any objections that you would care to share, other than your > original one (which I think Owen dispensed with)? > > Regards, > Mike > > > > > ---- On Tue, 21 Sep 2021 18:37:43 -0400 Chris Woodfield <[email protected]> > wrote ---- > > > > > On Sep 21, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Mike Burns <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi Noah, > > > > Thanks for your thoughts, my replies are inline. > > > > “Transfers are generally a prerogative of brokers who don't necessarily > > provide any form of network services. It does make sense for a broker to > > defend this model.” > > > > Noah that is a meaningless ad hominem, every transfer has a recipient. > > > > You are not incorrect here - it takes two to tango, so to speak. And brokers > are an important segment of the ARIN community, to the extent that > representatives of IP brokers have been elected to the ARIN AC. > > That said, one of the requirements for a Draft Policy to move forward to an > RDP is, per section 4.3:, "Changes to policy must be shown to have a strong > level of support in the community in order to be adopted.” Reading the > replies to this thread so far, the only community members that have voiced > support for this proposal have been representatives of IP brokers. Correct me > if I’ve missed any, but I see zero statements of support so far from members > of any other segment of the ARIN community. > > I would be very surprised if the AC would advance to RDP a policy proposal > that has support of only one segment of the community, and as far as I can > tell, universal opposition from those who are not in that segment. If you are > an operator, ISP, or content provider who would benefit from this, I would > recommend that you speak up in order to keep this proposal alive. > > Thanks, > > -Chris > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > ARIN-PPML > > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
