Is there any numbers of exactly:
How much space is legacy without an RSA/LRSA and
How much space of that number has had no contact/invalid contact?
Albert Erdmann
Network Administrator
Paradise On Line Inc.
On Thu, 14 Apr 2022, John Curran wrote:
On 14 Apr 2022, at 12:43 PM, Fernando Frediani
<[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks for the history and better clarification. However it is not
still clear to me if ARIN can, at some point and under which
conditions recover these legacy blocks which look abandoned and have
zero signal of being used or have some organization looking after it,
and send to be re-assigned to the waiting list.
Fernando -
It is far better to discuss what is reasonable and appropriate to do than
“what could ARIN do”…
I agree with some of the messages that is not reasonable to
think that after all this time some organizations may be unaware
of what is happening that justifies to keep having special
treatment. 25 years is quiet a while ! Legacy Resources has
always been an issue in different aspects and there should have
been more stuff done to avoid certain controversies where
possible overtime. I personally don't have a problem with them
keeping the resources as long they have justification of need
and not just based on "acquired rights".
Yes, one can easily argue that 25 years is “a long time”, but that actually
goes both ways… An organization obtains rights to an IP address block, and
then goes about using it internally. At the time of obtaining it, there is
not any clear set of obligations to: a) route it on the Internet, b)
maintain accurate contact information, c) use a certain percentage of space
internally, d) etc. There is, however, clear documents that say that even
organizations using IP address space internally should get an IP address
block that’s globally unique (so as to reduce the risk of potential
conflicts with other organizations in the future due to private
interconnection or merger/acquisition or connection to the Internet.)
The fact that the 25 years has passed and they are unaware of what is
happening in the this community isn’t a sign of anything amiss - it’s simply
means that no expectation was set in that regard (and it’s not quite not to
pass judgement based on today’s notations and expectations…)
If I understand it correctly it is possible to advance further
in this specific matter without a need for the community to
produce and agree in a new policy, so what prevents this from
happening ?
Community consensus on an appropriate policy that can be applied on a fair
and impartial basis.
Are there any major legal risks or is it just extra patience
with those who don't seem to want to cooperate in a well
established system for the past decades ?
It’s not legal risk as much as whether the community can develop a policy
that deals fairly with those who haven’t been involved in the registry after
all these years and who may be utilizing their resources but otherwise
unreachable… that’s a non-trivial task indeed.
Thanks,
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers
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