What is poppycock is this ignorant post.
On 4/13/2022 12:51 AM, Jo Rhett wrote:
On Tue, Apr 12, 2022, at 4:33 PM, John Curran wrote:
It’s much more basic than that - legacy resource holders received their blocks
from parties who were issuing them pursuant to agreements with the
US Government to do so, and under circumstances where the corresponding
responsibilities were not clearly spelt out. While responsibility for
administration of the number resources has passed to ARIN, that doesn’t mean
that any given legacy resource holder is aware of such a change, is aware that
this community would expect good contact information to be maintained, or is
aware of any other obligations that may get put into registry policy.
I'm sorry but this is utter nonsense. You weren't assigned this responsibility
last week, last month, even last decade. The idea that a legacy resource holder
could be ignorant of your assignment of responsibility almost 25 years after it
happened is poppycock.
In absolutely no legal context is any entity, be it a person, a business, or
even a conceptual entity allowed to disregard regulations because they occurred
after they received a resource. Am I allowed to ignore traffic laws created
after I purchased my car? Absolutely not. Is the DMV allowed to change its
regulations after I purchased my car? Certainly. Would the state of California
be allowed to replace the DMV with an entirely different entity with entirely
different regulations at their own whim? Absolutely.
The DMV is a government agency and the public roads belong to the government.
ARIN is NOT a government agency, and the Internet is, for the most part, owned
by common carriers in private business.
It's been 2 and a half decades, it's time to stop pandering this nonsense. I was
totally in favor of making exceptions for legacy resources back when this
started. Two decades later, when a majority of the people who received resources
under said agreements (raises hand) are retired or dead, and we're still making
exceptions for them?
Individuals may be retired or dead, but companies live on. Universities live
on. When my company was granted its Class C, I wrote the letter to the InterNIC
and the response was addressed to my, but the Class C was granted to my company,
not to me, and there is no way it is my personal property.
Please stop reinforcing this patent fantasy that "you can use this" on the back
of the envelope was a commercial contract guaranteeing anything. When I got my
first allocation from Jon it was on the back of the paper our request was
provided on. There was no guarantee of anything, it was entirely plausible that
the rules would change next week. The first time I got an allocation that had
anything like an assurance on it, the assurance was that it was only valid for
24 months. There was never, ever, any plausible expectation that this was a
lifetime guarantee assignment, forever and ever, amen. Back in those days
funding for the entire project was always in doubt, there was a real likelyhood
it could be shut down any week or month. These were never commercial contracts
(it was technically illegal to use for commercial purposes back in the "back of
the envelope" days), and anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is full of crap.
It wasn't the back of an envelope, it was a business letter, and of course it
constitutes a binding contract. There was nothing about it being for a limited
duration. Perpetual contracts and licenses are not uncommon, and unless there
is a specific limited time, any contract is by default perpetual. There were
several decades between when the Internet consisted of ARPA, a half dozen
computer and communications companies, and a dozen colleges, and the
establishment of ARIN and the first RSA. When I got our Class C in 1993,
commercial use was definitely legal, and there was no RSA. No one has the right
to impose a contract on another party without mutual consent.
Nobody I worked with in the days before the 24 months clause is still alive. The
people I trained when I left my role and moved to the west coast have retired
after long careers. How about we retire this nonsense at some point before
nobody who has ever known a legacy resource holder remains alive?
Despite the most strenuous efforts of the Covidiots, I have every intention of
remaining alive for several more decades.
--
Jo Rhett
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John Santos
Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc.
781-861-0670 ext 539
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