Conceptually, as an abstract idea, I have no problem with restricting the waiting list to newcomers only. However, the implementation of such a restriction could prove problematic; What is a true newcomer? How do we prevent gaming of this restriction?
The current 60-month restriction on transfers is already functionally indefinite, at least in my option. Finally, the waiting list was never intended as a viable option to meet a network's need for resources; its purpose in policy is to ensure ARIN has a mechanism to distribute any IPv4 resources that are reclaimed or otherwise become available to ARIN. Thanks. On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 5:09 PM Fernando Frediani <[email protected]> wrote: > Then need to detail and analyze what sound unreasonable in changing 5 > years period to indefinite. > > Reducing the request size to anything smaller than an /22 is giving a such > small and useless space that will probably make no difference to whoever > receives it. A /22 is already a very small amount (almost symbolic) but at > least gives the ability to a newer organizations to work with something, > get into the market, innovate, reach some proper size and then invest in > different technologies to make better usage of few IPv4 and deploy IPv6 > properly in order to keep existing in the market. Plus giving out /24-only > to organizations in the waiting list would contribute even more to increase > the size of the routing table with very little gain. > > A change in the waiting-list rules that would be certainly be welcome is > restrict it only to newcomers that have no IPv4 space at all. Those who > already have had already enough time to learn live with what they have and > organize themselves to either do IPv4 transfers and deploy IPv6 in order to > reduce its dependency whenever possible. > > Fernando > On 14/11/2022 19:53, David Farmer via ARIN-PPML wrote: > > I reviewed the Policy Implementation and Experience Report presented at > ARIN 50; > > > https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/ARIN50/materials/1020_policyimplementation.pdf > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RruDSG32D0M&list=PL726kQ53RX6i-x05T2JLckh59gWtLs1TR&t=5569s > > https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/ARIN50/day1_transcript/#policy-implementation-and-experience-report > > I don't support any changes to the transfer provisions of the waiting > list. The current transfer provisions seem reasonable to me. > > However, if I were going to support any changes to the waiting list, I > would support reducing the request size from /22 to /24. > > Thanks. > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 3:42 PM WOOD Alison * DAS < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Hello! >> >> >> >> The Policy Experience Report Working Group has been working on the Policy >> Experience Report from ARIN 50. I would appreciate your feedback on the >> following issue regarding transferring waitlist space. >> >> >> >> The current wait list criteria is: >> >> >> >> - Must have a /20 or less in total IPv4 holdings. >> - May request up to a /22. >> - Removed from list if IPv4 received via 8.3/8.4 transfer. >> - Received ip space is eligible for needs-based transfer after five >> years. >> >> >> >> >> >> The Policy Experience Working Group would like your feedback on a >> potential policy that would restrict the transfer of IP space that has been >> obtained from the waiting list. In other words, any IP address space >> received from the waiting list would be ineligible for transfer >> indefinitely and encouraged to be returned to ARIN if not in use. This >> policy would be specific to transfers and not M & A’s. >> >> >> >> The working group appreciates your feedback. >> >> >> >> Thank you! >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >> > > > -- > =============================================== > David Farmer Email:[email protected] > Networking & Telecommunication Services > Office of Information Technology > University of Minnesota > 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 > =============================================== > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription > at:https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > -- =============================================== David Farmer Email:[email protected] Networking & Telecommunication Services Office of Information Technology University of Minnesota 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 ===============================================
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