Given how easily one can stand up a not-for-profit in AZ for an incredibly small amount of money, I think David is absolutely correct here.
Owen > On Nov 14, 2022, at 15:35, David Farmer via ARIN-PPML <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Conceptually, as an abstract idea, I have no problem with restricting the > waiting list to newcomers only. However, the implementation of such a > restriction could prove problematic; What is a true newcomer? How do we > prevent gaming of this restriction? > > The current 60-month restriction on transfers is already functionally > indefinite, at least in my option. > > Finally, the waiting list was never intended as a viable option to meet a > network's need for resources; its purpose in policy is to ensure ARIN has a > mechanism to distribute any IPv4 resources that are reclaimed or otherwise > become available to ARIN. > > Thanks. > > On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 5:09 PM Fernando Frediani <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Then need to detail and analyze what sound unreasonable in changing 5 years >> period to indefinite. >> >> Reducing the request size to anything smaller than an /22 is giving a such >> small and useless space that will probably make no difference to whoever >> receives it. A /22 is already a very small amount (almost symbolic) but at >> least gives the ability to a newer organizations to work with something, get >> into the market, innovate, reach some proper size and then invest in >> different technologies to make better usage of few IPv4 and deploy IPv6 >> properly in order to keep existing in the market. Plus giving out /24-only >> to organizations in the waiting list would contribute even more to increase >> the size of the routing table with very little gain. >> >> A change in the waiting-list rules that would be certainly be welcome is >> restrict it only to newcomers that have no IPv4 space at all. Those who >> already have had already enough time to learn live with what they have and >> organize themselves to either do IPv4 transfers and deploy IPv6 in order to >> reduce its dependency whenever possible. >> >> Fernando >> >> On 14/11/2022 19:53, David Farmer via ARIN-PPML wrote: >>> I reviewed the Policy Implementation and Experience Report presented at >>> ARIN 50; >>> >>> https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/ARIN50/materials/1020_policyimplementation.pdf >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RruDSG32D0M&list=PL726kQ53RX6i-x05T2JLckh59gWtLs1TR&t=5569s >>> https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/ARIN50/day1_transcript/#policy-implementation-and-experience-report >>> >>> I don't support any changes to the transfer provisions of the waiting list. >>> The current transfer provisions seem reasonable to me. >>> >>> However, if I were going to support any changes to the waiting list, I >>> would support reducing the request size from /22 to /24. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 3:42 PM WOOD Alison * DAS >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> Hello! >>>> >>>> >>>> The Policy Experience Report Working Group has been working on the Policy >>>> Experience Report from ARIN 50. I would appreciate your feedback on the >>>> following issue regarding transferring waitlist space. >>>> >>>> >>>> The current wait list criteria is: >>>> >>>> >>>> Must have a /20 or less in total IPv4 holdings. >>>> May request up to a /22. >>>> Removed from list if IPv4 received via 8.3/8.4 transfer. >>>> Received ip space is eligible for needs-based transfer after five years. >>>> >>>> >>>> The Policy Experience Working Group would like your feedback on a >>>> potential policy that would restrict the transfer of IP space that has >>>> been obtained from the waiting list. In other words, any IP address space >>>> received from the waiting list would be ineligible for transfer >>>> indefinitely and encouraged to be returned to ARIN if not in use. This >>>> policy would be specific to transfers and not M & A’s. >>>> >>>> >>>> The working group appreciates your feedback. >>>> >>>> >>>> Thank you! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> ARIN-PPML >>>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >>>> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>). >>>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >>>> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >>>> Please contact [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> if you experience any >>>> issues. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> =============================================== >>> David Farmer Email:[email protected] >>> <mailto:email%[email protected]> >>> Networking & Telecommunication Services >>> Office of Information Technology >>> University of Minnesota >>> 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 >>> Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 >>> =============================================== >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ARIN-PPML >>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >>> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>). >>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >>> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >>> Please contact [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> if you experience any >>> issues. >> _______________________________________________ >> ARIN-PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> Please contact [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> if you experience any >> issues. > > > -- > =============================================== > David Farmer Email:[email protected] > <mailto:email%[email protected]> > Networking & Telecommunication Services > Office of Information Technology > University of Minnesota > 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 > =============================================== > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
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