It’s more a matter of the nature of CMTS systems. Bottom line, there are way 
more /12s than there are (or can be) Comcast sized ISPs, so I’m really not 
seeing that need as a problem. 

Owen


> On Jan 6, 2023, at 01:20, John Santos <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> So, if I did the math right, Comcast has about 70,000,000,000 residential 
> customers?  That's ten /48 sites for every person on Earth, and they are ALL 
> Comcast customers?
> 
> Maybe they shouldn't structure their IPv6 network exactly the same as their 
> IPv4 network?
> 
> 
> On 1/6/2023 2:25 AM, Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML wrote:
>>>> On Jan 5, 2023, at 08:45, David Conrad <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Jan 4, 2023, at 5:18 PM, William Herrin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 5:10 PM David Conrad <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 4, 2023, at 2:32 PM, William Herrin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> However, since /48 is also the minimum Internet routable size,
>>>>> Sorry, what?  Out of 172,457 IPv6 prefixes seen at AMSIX (according to 
>>>>> routeviews) on 2023-01-01, counts of prefixes longer than 48:
>>>> Sorry, I didn't realize I'd be called out for insufficient pedantry.
>>> 
>>> You’re aware you’re on the Internet, right?
>>> 
>>>> The minimum IPv6 size _ubiquitously accepted_ into folks' Internet BGP
>>>> tables is /48. As with IPv4's /24 boundary, some folks accept longer
>>>> prefixes. As with IPv4, -some- is not enough.
>>> 
>>> “Ubiquitous".  Like /24 in IPv4 was ubiquitous until Sprint (the 800 lbs 
>>> gorilla at the time) started filtering at /19? The point being that 
>>> arbitrary boundaries are overly simplistic: there aren’t hard rules here, 
>>> only local policy.  But you know this.
>> SPRINT’s attempt to filter at /19 lasted, what, a few months before they 
>> were forced to back down?
>> The /24 arbitrary boundary has pretty well stood the test of time as, I 
>> suspect, will the /48.
>>> 
>>> Anyhow, back to the original question:
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 11:52 AM Fernando Frediani <[email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I always found a bit strange (not only in ARIN) to have this distinction 
>>>> between ISP and End-user. In practice things should not differ much. Only 
>>>> thing that would possible remain slightly different are the details of 
>>>> justifications that must be provided and the size of the block to be 
>>>> allocated.
>>>> 
>>> In practice, ISPs tend to grow much more and more quickly than end user 
>>> networks.
>>>> 
>>>> Another thing that I wanted to understand better is the reasoning to 
>>>> allocate a significant smaller IPv6 block to a said end-user organization 
>>>> given it is not so scarce resource. At least a /40 should be minimal 
>>>> default for an end-user (not a /48) and a /32 for any size of ISP.
>>>> 
>>> You might want to look at RFC 6177.
>> I think a /48 per site is a perfectly reasonable basis for assignments. 
>> There may be sties that need more, but they are likely to be few and far 
>> between and there are procedures to take care of them. Note: Many end users 
>> are multiple sites. An end site is defined (IIRC from what I wrote when 
>> authoring the ARIN policies that are still in effect to the best of my 
>> knowledge):
>> A single building or structure or a single tenant in a multi-tenant building 
>> or structure.
>> If that’s not the exact correct wording, it’s close and mirrors the intended 
>> meaning.
>>>> For now my personal impression is to create some artificial scarcity in 
>>>> order to have different levels of Service Category.
>>>> 
>>> Never attribute to malice what can be more easily explained by inertia.
>> I once had this discussion with John Brzowski of Comcast. His excuse was “If 
>> we gave everyone /48s, the way our network is structured, we’d have to ask 
>> ARIN for a /12. He felt this was a reason not to. I wondered why. I never 
>> got an answer.
>> So I would say never attribute to malice that which can be easily explained 
>> by lack of imagination.
>> Owen
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