> On Oct 2, 2023, at 14:42, John Curran <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On Oct 2, 2023, at 5:18 PM, Delong.com <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Agree to disagree… >> >> “Direct Registration” makes it clear (IMHO) that all that ARIN provides is a >> registration. The idea that an address block exists, let alone exists >> separate from the registration of same is the source of a great deal of >> misunderstanding and confusion in a great many places. >> >> A proper definition of “Direct Registration” in NRPM could, IMHO, go a long >> way towards resolving some of that confusion. >> >> “Issuance” in addition to being awkward as a noun carries the same baggage >> and implications that ARIN is somehow doing something other than registering >> the association of a particular block to a particular entity. While this has >> been a common and convenient thought process, it has also led to the >> perpetuation of the misunderstanding that addresses (and/or groups or blocks >> of addresses) are things which are created, put into some form of free pool, >> and then issued/allocated from that pool, rather than simply an association >> (registration) of integers within a particular registry for a particular >> purpose among those who choose to cooperate and interoperate with that >> registry. >> >> “Allocation” in addition to having remaining baggage from previous >> utilization (not the least of which is the implication that someone holding >> an “allocation” is expected to be some form of ISP or at least some form of >> “service provider” or “LIR” that issues addresses to “customers” in many >> people’s minds) is also problematic for the same reasons I just outlined for >> “Issuance”. While it is true that current practice at ARIN has made it >> POSSIBLE for all “assignments” to now be treated that way, it has not moved >> all end users into actually being service providers who choose to exercise >> this new found capability. >> >> Indeed, what ARIN does comes most proximate in the real world to various >> “registration” functions performed by government entities… e.g. your >> “vehicle registration” amounts to an association between a given VIN and a >> given entity via a 3rd key (“License Plate Number”). Registering a property >> deed is the registration of an association between a particular piece of >> real estate (assessors parcel number) and an entity (“owner”), etc. > > Alas, your proposed analogy fails when there is no vehicle, but only the > registry entry itself – i.e. Internet number resources are unique identifiers > within the Internet Numbers Registry System, and this includes ranges (or > “blocks”) of contiguous Internet Protocol (“IP”) addresses and Autonomous > System Numbers (“ASNs”)…
Except it doesn’t completely… Internet Numbers are basically like License Plate numbers. > It is the association of specific registry entry itself with one party that > provides uniqueness and a set of rights on management of that entry, and > there’s zero evidence of anything “to register” independent of that entry in > the registry. For this reason, referring to an address block as a “direct > registration” is inappropriate - the address block is the registry entry, and > parties that hold address blocks have specific rights to the entry as spelled > out in the Registration Services Agreement. The address block is a set of integers. The association of that set of integers to a particular entry for a particular purpose within a particular registry is what ARIN (and the other RIRs) do. >> As such, the more I think about the problem, the more I think that >> “registration” is the best choice among those presented so far. If someone >> can come up with a better term that has even less baggage (because I agree, >> “registration” is not baggage free), then I will gladly support that. IMHO, >> Neither “Allocation” nor “Issuance” fit the bill. > > Direct Allocation and Direct Assignment are the present terms of art. Both > reflect accurately what has occurred over time, and they can be retained if > desired by the community. The community can do whatever it wishes. This member of the community believes that the term registration is more appropriate to what is actually happening than the terms “allocation”, “assignment”, or “issuance” since, as you point out, the integers are essentially meaningless absent that registration. > The question is whether maintaining “Direct Assignment” as a distinction for > some of entries is meaningful – it presently is not from a policy or > operations perspective, so it is a very reasonable question for the community > to consider. I don’t think you get to select the question single-handedly. I think that since this is a policy proposal, it is well within the rights of the community to express a desire to alter the question and/or the answer and expect the AC (who currently has control of the editorial pen for this proposal as I understand the PDP) to make the changes we collectively request prior to adoption. Owen
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