I would highly recommend removing any language that refers to "grandfathering in". Perhaps "will be exempt until they are removed from the waitlist" but grandfathered in will not pass a staff and legal/community review. We have seen this turned down for a number of reasons in the past.
Kat Hunter Comcast/AC Chair On Mon, Jul 13, 2026 at 12:54 PM Tom Fantacone via ARIN-PPML < [email protected]> wrote: > Correction - my last sentence should have read: > > "Using the term "transfer market" as in *Option 1 *is bound to create > ambiguity since the term is not defined anywhere in the NRPM." > > Speaking of ambiguity... > > > > > > From: Tom Fantacone via ARIN-PPML <[email protected]> > To: "Gerry George"<[email protected]> > Cc: "ARIN PPML"<[email protected]> > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2026 10:48:48 -0600 > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Request for Comment & Feedback: Draft Policy > ARIN-2025-3: Change Section 9 Out Of Region Use Minimum Criteria > > Gerry, > > Thanks for the clarifications. > > I support the policy as written in Option 2. It's very clear and explicit. > > Using the term "transfer market" as in Option 2 is bound to create > ambiguity since the term is not defined anywhere in the NRPM. > > Regards, > > Tom Fantacone > > > > From: Gerry George via ARIN-PPML <[email protected]> > To: "ARIN PPML"<[email protected]> > Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2026 08:11:45 -0600 > Subject: [arin-ppml] Request for Comment & Feedback: Draft Policy > ARIN-2025-3: Change Section 9 Out Of Region Use Minimum Criteria > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > > Good day and greetings, ARIN community. > > We had a suggestion for some modified text to the Draft Policy, primarily > in response to feedback and reactions from ARIN 57 and PPML discussions, as > many of the concerns related to potential gaming of the system to access > the ARIN address pool for out-of-region use. The brief background and > suggested change text is as follows: > > As a reminder, this proposal is to modify the following text in Section 9: > > > > * FROM: IPv4: At least a /22 used in region. > > * TO: IPv4: At least a /24 used in region. > > > > The intent is to amend the proposal, including text to specifically > exclude out of region usage as justification to get IPv4 from the waiting > list. > > Suggested text - Option 1: > > > > *Out of Region usage justification can only be used to acquire IPv4 > addresses from the transfer market. Any organization on the Waiting List > at the time this policy is implemented will be grandfathered-in.* > > Suggested text - Option 2: > > > > *Out of Region usage justification may not be used to receive IPv4 > addresses from the ARIN Waitlist (4.1.8), Micro-allocation pool (4.4) or > Dedicated IPv4 Allocation to facilitate IPv6 Deployment (4.10). Any > organization on the Waiting List at the time this policy is implemented > will be grandfathered-in.* > > > > The first option is shorter, and does not specifically refer to ARIN > reserve pools, which could change. The second option does not include the > term “transfer market”. That term does not appear in the NRPM, and > directly mentions the waiting list. > > > > The full change to the policy will thus be: > > Problem Statement > > Section 9 > <https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/nrpm/#9-out-of-region-use> of > the NRPM, Out of Region Use, requires organizations to use at least a /22 > in the ARIN region before they can justify out of region use. This harms > smaller organizations that have less than a /22 in region but do require > some out of region use. > Policy Statement > > Modify the following text in Section 9 > <https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/nrpm/#9-out-of-region-use>: > FROM: > IPv4: At least a /22 used in region. > TO: > IPv4: At least a /24 used in region. > > > ADDITIONAL TEXT: > > Out of Region usage justification can only be used to acquire IPv4 > addresses from the transfer market. > Any organization already on the Waiting List at the time this policy is > implemented will be exempted and shall remain eligible under the rules in > effect at the time of its placement on the Waiting List. > [Organizations on the Waiting List at the time this policy takes effect > shall be exempted and will not be affected by this change.] > > OR > > Out-of-Region Usage Justification may not be used to receive IPv4 address > space from the ARIN Waiting List (4.1.8), the Micro-allocation Pool (4.4), > or the Dedicated IPv4 Block to Facilitate IPv6 Deployment (4.10). > Any organization already on the Waiting List at the time this policy is > implemented will be exempted and shall remain eligible under the rules in > effect at the time of its placement on the Waiting List. > [Organizations on the Waiting List at the time this policy takes effect > shall be exempted and will not be affected by this change.] > > > Note the text in square brackets suggests the intent of the last sentence, > and may be considered for substitution for brevity. > > > Please submit your comments of support, dissent, encouragement or > disapproval for the policy, and for the proposed text changes. > > > Regards > > > *Gerry E. George* > ICT Consultant and Business Solutions Architect; > *DigiSolv, Inc.* [P.O. Box 1677, Castries, Saint Lucia] > ------------------------------ > *Email: **[email protected] <[email protected]>* > *Mobile (WhatsApp)*: (758) 728-4858 /* Int'l Office*: (347) 450-3444 > *Web*: https://digisolv.com <[email protected]> */ **LinkedIn: > **https://linkedin.com/in/gerrygeorge/ > <https://www.linkedin.com/in/gerrygeorge/>* > > *Please consider the environment before printing this email. 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