That was fun On Tue, May 9, 2017, 6:14 PM John Luke Gibson <eaterjo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/9/17, Lyberta <lybe...@lyberta.net> wrote: > > do...@mail.com: > >> I think you're caught in the same trap, unable to realize your own > >> potential for lack of a moral standard (it also suffers as a result of > >> an Atheistic philosophy), and unable to accept a pointless existence. > > > > When I was 19, I was in a very bad situation. Everything I've ever > > believed in was false. So I've spent the next 6 months looking for > > truth. Thankfully, I have dropped out of college by this time so I had > > time to investigate. > > > > And in one moment it dawned upon me. There is no truth. Everything is > > relative. People invent their own truth and start believing in it. So if > > I want to stay unshackled I must not believe in anything. > > > > The next thing was supposed to be suicide but I couldn't do it. I don't > > know the future and I don't know what will happen when I die. In fact, > > I'm trapped inside my own consciousness and by definition can't escape > > it and see the truth. Remember Plato's allegory of the cave? > > > > Another thing that bugs me is, since I don't believe in anything, I also > > don't believe in science. I can't predict what's gonna happen in the > > next moment. Every once in a while I get in this state of mind where I > > understand that I understand nothing. > > > >> In any and all cases I think you might enjoy a book that is eyeopening, > >> insightful and uplifting, with respect to the world around you, as > >> opposed to your more dreary, despairing, world view. > > > > I was forced to read books at school and this gave a huge hatred for > > them. I remember I've tried to read a fiction book at psychiatric > > hospital and after the 1st paragraph I was so enraged that I quickly put > > it away. Though this mostly applies to fiction. > > > > > > The mountains of religious thought pumped into this thread has it > visibly oozing (I mean no offense). Firstly, the speaker in that video > linked @zap I'm familiar with and is very unreliable when their claims > are checked or researched. Secondly, Nietzsche explores that so-called > "trap". The thing is that religion presents the concept of morality > which fills the space created by ennui and lack of obstacles to > self-preservation. Noam Chomsky popularized abit the thought that the > consistent trend in nature is more intelligent species tend to go > extinct after a shorter period than obviously less intelligent ones > (i.e. beetles), this is due to genetic drift and inbred weaknesses due > to a lack of obstacles to their survival. Ethics is an artificial > obstacle we present ourselves in order to keep us strong (Nietzsche > referred to the model used by Christianity as Slave Morality, > suggesting that the ethics therein enslave the subscriber to the whims > and desires of the less fortunate, and thusly purporting the existence > of less fortunate as ENDEMICALLY NECESSARY because without less > fortunate people then there would be point to the ethics of > christianity and therefore there would be no obstacle to occupy > ourselves with and therefore genetic drift would set in and we would > die as a species. In other words, Nietzsche considered christianity so > obsessed with compassion, that in a world without suffering it would > utterly and completely fall apart.). > > Nietzsche's life's work was dedicated to attempting to create a > well-developed replacement to both religion and "Slave Morality". > > I don't know if I support Nietzsche's alternative of "Master Morality" > (where the obstacle is to become the best human possible, the > so-called "ubermensch"), but I do say that "trap" is hardly a "trap" > rather it's just a human need for an obstacle or conflict, and by > rejecting religion all one is doing is rejecting the type of conflict > which that religion endorses. > Thirdly, > ______ > > .................| -> vvvvvvvv > ______ > > On the subject of Relativity: > ______ > > .................| -> ^^^^^^^^^ > ______ > > "The only rule is everything changes, even this rule." is the best > misquoting of Heraclitus I've heard and has rather impacted my view of > "Relativity". Ultimately building off of the concept that the meaning > of life is just any arbitrary form of conflict, then sometimes > constant values contribute to having an increased selection of types > of conflict. Technology of modern day allows us to have simulated > battles over the net, and, without a whole slew of discovered > constants (such as ways of making the voltage across a wire consistent > with what is intended to deliver a message), then that would not be > possible. I believe the universe only stays as consistent as it needs > to be for every life to have a potentially unique purpose given work > to discover new constant attributes to apply to a new purpose to > assume. I believe it is quite possible high-fantasy magic might have > existed at one point and that it was merely purged by the work devoted > to the infinitely more rigorous "science". That's just my perspective, > and it is also my perspective that science could be replaced with > high-enough degree of arbitrary work dedicated to discovering > attributes of the universe incompatible with modern science. This > would require a large influx of unfulfilled persons highly motivated > to transform the status quo and contradict conventional wisdom. > > _______________________________________________ > arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk > http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook > Send large attachments to arm-netb...@files.phcomp.co.uk
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