Probably my final mail on this usbject as many here have personally asked me not to respond to you and belittle the purpose of the forum. SInce you have brought in one more allegation , for which I believe, I have given a convincing reply some 2 years before when the same issue croped in.
So finally, let me answer your lines >>>If you are adamant and dont' want to agree so be it. Me...Adamant?!!..Come on the entire 4499 people in the group knew who is adamant in this issue..Okay..leave it...your ego is very much hurt....lets come to the point. And for your kind information SPB after singing > the "Kadhale en Kadhale..." song from Duet told that > this song is composed in Raga Mandu and the stength of > Rahman lies in the usage of this Raga has he has used > the same raga even in "Anjali Anjali..." This clearly proves that you aren;'t a ARR fan and you seldom listen to ARR song.....The part what SPB mentions comes as a interlude in that song..Anjali..Anjali song comes as an interludes...because, prabhu thru his sax wanted to convey Meenakshi Seshadri that it is he who actually composed that song, and not his brother Ramesh Arvind...It is ARR's genius (real Genius in the sense) that brought in a song composed majorly in Bouli and Behak into an other song for which I am sorry I do not know the raaga at this point of time (I am not a Carnatic Guru like you...edho kelvi Gnyanam thaan)...Okay going by your own assertion, lets consider that it is in Mandu...then tell me how mandu and Hindolam is related to one another?... >>>Anyways what do you say for "Roja Roja..." song > from Kadhalar Dinam getting inspired from MSV > composition of Varumai Niram Sivappu. Is that also > not a copy. Now can you do me a favour..honestly...replace the lyric of roja..Roja song with that "sippi irukkudhu " lyrics and sing Roja Roja song...Atleast try for 4 lines...mudiyudhaanu paappom.. Guru, The tune that you have mentioned as copied comes only at the last two lines of the said MSV song...It is the place where Kamal and Sridevi join hands and walk thru the garden at the end of the song....Roja..Roja starts exactly there with that two line in a Higher octave and flies into a completely different plane...that is why I said replace the lyrics and try to sing....Its more like a tribute to MSVs song...The only thing is Roja Roja starts from where Sippi Irukkudhu ends...If you remember there was aprogram in Vijay TV called Naiyaandi Darbar in which the lunatic Yuhi Sethu asked the same question to Unni Krishnan and Unni gave an answer some thing similar to this...My analogy is based on that...Unni Krishnan is also a singer/carnatic musician/ and the singer of this song... Pavana, before throwing allegation, first make sure that you have substantial proof in hand that will be hard to refute by others...Your allegations are quite old and have been dumped into ditch hundreds of time by hundreds of members here. Read it carefully, THERE HAS NOT BEEN EVEN ONE SINGLE INSTANCE WHERE A WHOLE SONG IS COPIED OR IMPROVISED....what ARR has done so far is only adapt his creativity with the modern way of film composing there days... I initially thought conversing with you will yield some fruits here for others to cherish...I learnt the lesson again that I cannot wake a person pretending to be asleep....Better continue your act....the thing is you lost it in the eyes of ARR group members.... Bye Karthik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pavana Kumar CM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [arr] Sangamam IS IT.... - Blatant Copy of Sowkkiyama song!!! > > > Hi Karthik, > > If you are adamant and dont' want to agree so be > it. > > Anyways what do you say for "Roja Roja..." song > from Kadhalar Dinam getting inspired from MSV > composition of Varumai Niram Sivappu. Is that also > not a copy. > > And for your kind information SPB after singing > the "Kadhale en Kadhale..." song from Duet told that > this song is composed in Raga Mandu and the stength of > Rahman lies in the usage of this Raga has he has used > the same raga even in "Anjali Anjali..." > > > Pavana Kumar C.M > > --- Karthik S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >>>has shades of Mandu > > From mandu , you have come to the shades of Mandu... > > > > >>>Do you need more authoritative statement on this. > > Yes, because, under what context he said so and what > > part did he say that it > > is Mandu..What I could recollect is that song has > > shades of Raaga Bouli > > also. > > Swapnil and other Classical Gurus can throw light > > here...I am a classical > > illiterate... > > > > >>>people like Akil and Mr. Ahmed have > > > given some thought to it. > > They are simply enjoying our heated > > conversation...tell me one guy who is > > supporting you with the same falsified conviction > > that you have...I have > > received mails personally from many here regarding > > this issue... > > > > > > >>>Hindolam RAGA (in hindustani it is called > > Malkouns) > > Correct...Thats great again. > > > > >>>Why did he need to use that tune when other > > music directors have been > > using this RAGA in > > > different style (i mean in Hindustani and > > Carnatic) > > > and created beautiful tunes.. > > > > Where did he use the same tune...? the whole song is > > entirely different from > > the suprabhaatham...isn't it?..ARR used that > > suprabhatham tune in the > > prelude and one part of interlude because the whole > > situation starts on a > > fine morning and the heroine sets out free, meaning > > its anew pleasant > > morning for her. tell me if ARR had intended to > > actually copy it, did he do > > it in such a way on an obviously ever popular > > tune?....Ingeyum Logic > > odhaikkudhu....Madila ganam irundhaa than manasula > > bhayam irukkum...ARR used > > that tune as it is because, it was only supposed to > > be used like > > that...ithukku per thaan improvisation...just like > > how IR used > > "mudhakaraatha modakam" sloka tune into "varaadhu > > vandha naayagan" song for > > one of parthiban-Kushboo-Rupini film(I forgot the > > films name)...Atleast > > there the actual song will resemble the sloka tune, > > but here in the case of > > May Madam...no way man... > > > > Bye > > Karthik > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Pavana Kumar CM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [arr] Sangamam IS IT.... - Blatant Copy > > of Sowkkiyama song!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karthik, > > > > > > . Anjali.. Anjali.. in the > > > charanam has shades of Mandu... and this has also > > been > > > told by SPB in a programme (forget about me, as I > > am > > > just a drop in the ocean of carnatic music) on > > Kairali > > > called "Symphony" which comes every saturday night > > at > > > 9:00PM. He told the strength of Rahman lies in > > the > > > usage of this Raga and that's why he told both the > > > songs in this file (Duet) are based on Raga > > Mandu..." > > > Do you need more authoritative statement on this. > > > > > > It's good that you are allowing me to express > > my > > > views because there's some truth in it which you > > only > > > are denying and people like Akil and Mr. Ahmed > > have > > > given some thought to it. > > > > > > I am sure people are going to realize one day > > or > > > the other and truth obviously cannot be > > suppressed. > > > > > > Naan onnu Vidwan innu sollikkaleye... though > > my > > > knowledge of carnatic music is good, i cannot call > > > myself an expert.. and for your kind information > > and > > > whatever knowledge I have "margazhi poove..." song > > is > > > based on Hindolam RAGA (in hindustani it is called > > > Malkouns). Why did he need to use that tune when > > > other music directors have been using this RAGA > > in > > > different style (i mean in Hindustani and > > Carnatic) > > > and created beautiful tunes.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pavana > > > > > > --- Karthik S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > You are a desperate fan of a drowning > > > > MD...right...anyway...my duty is to > > > > enlighten you with facts... > > > > > > > > >>>I have learnt carnatic classical music > > > > Thing is you should learn it even better when > > you > > > > put on facts... > > > > > > > > Anjali..Anjali belongs to Raaga .."Behag" a > > > > Hindustani raaga...where is > > > > Mandu there? Do you know the song "Humko man ki > > > > shakthi dena" song from "do > > > > aakhen Baarah Haath"...its a famous film and the > > > > song is also based on > > > > Behag...AGAIN A MIS-FIRE.. > > > > > > > > >>>This is forum where one can express his > > views > > > > > > > > True ..that is why you are still expressing what > > you > > > > alone thing is a > > > > genuine opinion...HAs the moderator ever > > interfered > > > > in your blabbers...The > > > > moderator of your camp would have by now issued > > a > > > > fatwa....if such an > > > > argument e vr even creeped in his group about > > his > > > > MD...We are no Talibans > > > > here...You are welcome to question...but > > remember > > > > for any thing there is a > > > > limit...when in rain if a jackal looses its > > colour > > > > of a tiger...then you > > > > know what will happen to it. > > > > > > > > >>>nobody can deny it because it is so evident.. > > > > Only to you...Has anybody agreed to > > you...Gather > > > > few of your camp men who > > > > are in disguise here to come in support of > > you...In > > > > a country of such a > > > > large population (4500+ members) we can expects > > few > > > > black sheeps. > > > > > > > > >>>but did he not copy the tune of "kausalya > > > > supraja rama..." > > > > > > > > This is the height of comedy ever...It is quite > > > > obvious that the tune is > > > > infact the suprabhatham....why...because...The > > > > heroine in the film..gets > > > > introduced with that song in the morning...its a > > new > > > > day for her where she > > > > hopes to get free from her strict home..Dear > > > > Genius!!! don't you see the > > > > actual song is no where near the tune of > > > > suprabhatham...Thiru Carnatic > > > > Vidhwaan avargale...can you tell me in which > > raaga > > > > it is composed? > > > > > > > > >>>If you don't agree with it so be it... the > > fact > > > > is he has lifted > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! 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