I don't know how I got pulled into this. I should have just stated my opinions and ignored what followed. This is quite uncharacteristic of me usually to be drawn down to a certain level of useless discourse. My post about ARR fans being arrogant and insecure do not pertain to disagreements per se with me on Sawariya's music, but the general tone of the argument, as well as years of observation of various discussions and posts (like wanting to ban all non ARR posts). I feel one should be open minded and appreciative of all types of music, respecting preferences, and to tolerate posts pertaining to other musicians within a fan group, as long as it's within reason. Like I asserted, I have no problems with people disagreeing with me on opinion. You can hate Sawariya's music and I will be ok with it. All I know is that when I listen to the soundtrack, intellect and critique aside, it makes me feel damn good. I think what pulled me into all of this is someone telling me to stop posting non ARR material, of which I reacted defensively henceforth. Next time, I'll hit my own ignore button.
BTW, your comment about ARR not wanting "craftman ahead of the craft" rings true and clear. His music may just be a tiny drop in a mighty ocean, but it sure makes a huge splash and wave nonetheless! --- In [email protected], Gopal Srinivasan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Both sides of the divide have a right to exist but some tolerance of the other view is necessary here. > > If ARR's fans are snobs or not is up for debate, but the reaction to Saawariya is certainly not coming out of insecurity. The music has received mixed reviews with many known aficionados of music not taking to it kindly. I, for one, thought Omkara was the best soundtrack of last year, even ahead of Rang De Basanti and there is no shame in admitting it. ARR did so himself. > > And everyone is free to choose what they want to listen to but I am certain that ARR wouldn't put the craftsman ahead of the craft. ARR's music is still a tiny drop in a mighty ocean. > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Roshan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 6:52:36 AM > Subject: Re: [arr] My last rambling on Saawariya > > > > > may be we all put a filter in our emails so anything pertaining to other musicians or music directors will be deleted :p. how about that ? > > or even better.. a special kind of ear-plug that will filter out all kinds of music except rahman's :) > > > > On 9/26/07, Chord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Um, excuse me..... > > > > Please kindly show me the words that I used in your reference to > > "forcing my opinions on others". I expressed my opinions assertively, > > but never did I once say that everyone has to agree with me or that > > not liking Saawariya is wrong. I said that I have a hard time > > understanding why some think it's boring, but I am understanding this > > viewpoint more and more now and I accept it. The rest of the world > > can hate this album and I will still love it and have no problem with > > that. You guys are so insecure. And you are also incorrect in > > assuming that Saawariya is the best album this year for me. I said it > > was probably in my top 3. > > > > Give it a rest guys. I want to move on. > > > > --- In [email protected], $*$ PaVaN $*$ <pawancumarr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Thulsi, i dont think hes new to the group..watever..Mr.Chord,no need > > to baffle,no need to think too much,we all accept your view and your > > opinion that saawariya is the best album for you this year,but dont > > try to force your opinion on others...thts wat you are doing....pls > > stop that.. > > > > > > Thulasi Ram <karokelip@> wrote: if u r here to say > > something about other MD's albums alone, then this is not the right > > place. u seem to be new to the group. let me see what u write when an > > ARR album releases. m saying this to u because there r few in this > > group who mail/reply only when there is a non-arr topic or speaking > > about other MD's.. so, let me not jump upon u now as i think u havent > > been here when an ARR album is released. let me see what ur take for > > JA is... > > > > > > On 9/26/07, Chord <purevibz@> wrote: Different > > > opinions will be abound. Saawariya is quickly turning into > > > a top 3 favorite this year along with Guru and Eklavya. One person's > > > boring and tedious is another person's haunting, soulful, enchanting, > > > and soothing. It just baffles me how so many of you find this > > > soundtrack boring and tedious, while acknowledging some hangovers and > > > similar sounding songs. There is a lot of quiet space in this > > > soundtrack, which I find so refreshing. There is so much beautiful > > > music, crisp arrangements, delicate ornamentation, soothing melodies, > > > haunting alaaps, ethnic sounds, subtle soundscapes. I agree there are > > > weaknesses, but it seems that most are ignoring the hard work put into > > > this soundtrack by a relatively debutant MD. As a music composer > > > myself, I can empathize and relate very well how difficult it is to > > > live up to expectations. It's got to be tough when you have an > > > egotistical director like SLB constantly nosing his weight and > > > influence on his music preferences. Saawariya to me has an enchanting > > > old world charm to its sound and very raaga based with poignant > > > melodies, and while I agree that there may not be many takers due to > > > this, it's what makes this soundtrack special amidst an overabundance > > > of noisy, massala, rhythm oriented soundtracks. Thank goodness for > > > soundtracks like Saawariya the remind us of the soulful and soothing > > > side to good music, and pay some tribute to the old world evergreen > > era. > > > > > > Final suggestion: Listen to Saawariya on headphones to hear the > > > delicate arrangements. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Gopal Srinivasan <catchgops@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > ARR's music does not exist in vacuum. It is worthwhile to be aware > > > of and compare it with other musical output. > > > > > > > > That having been said, Saawariya, IMHO, suffers from more than a > > > small hangover of previous SLB movies and makes for a tedious listen > > > beyond 2-3 songs. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > > > From: Chord <purevibz@> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:06:52 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [arr] (non arr) Music of Saawariya is mindblowing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why does talking about non ARR music bother you? When I > > > appreciate > > > > > > > > good music, whether from ARR or others, I like to share my thoughts > > > > > > > > with other music lovers in this group. It's one thing if someone > > > > > > > > talked about non ARR stuff all the time, but I just posted my > > > > > > > > opinions about a soundtrack that I think is quality, others agree or > > > > > > > > not. This is exactly what bothers me about this group of late...lack > > > > > > > > of tolerance for other MD music and bashing other MDs needlessly. Are > > > > > > > > some ARR fans that insecure? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, "Brijram" <brig96m1214@ ...> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahman has passed this phase ages ago. We do not need non arr in > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > group!!! Restrict either to arr or semi arr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/25/07, Chord <purevibz@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It ranks up there in the league of elite soundtracks. Very > > > > > > > > > soothing > > > > > > > > > > > and melodious soundtrack with lots of classical influences and > > > > > > > > > > > beautiful arrangements and instrumental ornaments. No heavy > > > > > > > > beats > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > real item numbers. The arrangements are not very thickly > > > > > > > > layered, > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > they are crafted extremely delicately and woven briliantly. I > > > > > > > > > think > > > > > > > > > > > ARR himself would like this soundtrack a lot. Only weakness to > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > that a few songs are very similar to songs from SLBs previous > > > > > > > > > movies. > > > > > > > > > > > Lyrics are also quite simple by comparison. To me, however, it's > > > > > > > > > > > mostly a very refreshing and quite stylish and very > > > > > > > > > soothing/romantic > > > > > > > > > > > soundtrack. 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