*By the way anybody can provide RDB BGM ?* hehehee!! On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 12:35 AM, light4_u <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I totally agree with u Rawat and those people who r in favour of > ripping BGM. Since I saw the movies of our boss's like Roja, Bombay, > Dil Se etc. I wanted their BGM eagerly and now in 2007-2008 I m > geting it, I thought its just amazing that now I m getting all the > BGM after the film release. And now suddenly a shock! > > Anyone who can find out ARR's reaction on this then plz. If ARR is > not happy with it I promise I wont ask for it again. By the way > anybody can provide RDB BGM ? > > --- In [email protected] <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, V S > Rawat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > When music companies or video companies are not selling the bgms, > why > > restrict sharing of bgms. It is not harming anybody's economic > earnings. > > > > Thanks. > > -- > > Rawat > > > > On 10/30/2008 6:32 PM India Time, _Farzad khaleel_ wrote: > > > > > Vithur, I have uploaded your BGM's in my website / blog. > > > > > > *http://rahmaniac.wordpress.com/downloads/bgm* > > > > > > Must I block the access to this page ? Please update me about > this, > > > Vithur.... > > > > > > Thanks in advance ! > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Vithur <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > > > > > Agreed with NIven... > > > > > > Henceforth, I would not be sharing any of the BGMs,,, > anywhere in > > > any of the ARR Forums.. > > > > > > If at all, anyone is interested, Pls do mail me, and this can > be > > > discussed in individual basis. > > > > > > If my previous BGM rippings have by any chance hurted our > BOSS's > > > sentiments, I am extremely sorry. I dont have the least > thought even > > > to disturb ARR anytime... > > > > > > ARR is our motivation to even live in this world..... > > > > > > God Bless ARR and everyone. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 12:07 PM, nivensamy <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello Friends, > > > > > > I've been reading the mails about BGM and been seeing > many BGM > > > uploaded. Just recently I've started downloading and > listening to > > > rahman's magic thru BGM. Its a sure thing that these BGM > are like > > > hidden albums that we wished was available on the > soundtrack > > > audio cd. > > > > > > Members should put tremendous effort in ripping vcd/dvd > for such > > > gems > > > are in fact doubling our joy of being a rahman fan but > hearing > > > it has > > > been played on radio gives me goosebumps... > > > > > > OH MY GOD!!!! ARRahman must be very very rankled to hear > such thing > > > about his works. Im sure its not legal. Also I dont think > we need to > > > wait a response from Gopal/Vijay or Rahman himself. > > > > > > So guys, I know you are helping us innocently but we > should > > > think of a > > > way this does not affect our Boss's hard work. > > > > > > I think we should each one of us have an audio dvd ripper > and do our > > > oww BGM and ensure it stays safe with us and we listen > whenever > > > we want. > > > > > > Niven (Mauritius) > > > > > > --- In [email protected] <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com<arrahmanfans%2540yahoogroups.com>>, > "kaissiom" > > > <kaissiom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Aravind, > > > > > > > > Now you feel the dilemma I have been facing for at > least a > > > year or > > > > two... ever since I heard my BGM on Radio. I have > numerous > > > BGMs and > > > > other High Quality rips from DVDs that I can't share :( > > > > > > > > The fact is... we trust our brothers and sisters on > this > > > group here. > > > > We are all here for the same purpose... to share and > > > celebrate Rahman. > > > > And it is with this spirit that we share these rare > and generally > > > > unavailable bits and pieces. But once we share > something in the > > > > public space like this group, whatever we share becomes > > > available to > > > > the public, who doesn't necessarily have to be a true, > devoted, > > > > dedicated Rahman fan. > > > > > > > > You can not imagine the pain I felt when I heard my > BGM on > > > the Radio. > > > > And I knew it was my BGM because it was edited.. I had > edited > > > it. I > > > > felt like I had somehow betrayed Rahman... his hard > work. > > > That's when > > > > I made the conscious decision to stop sharing BGMs.. > it was right > > > > after RDB bgms. > > > > > > > > Anyhow... I would definitely like to point out one > major thing... > > > > namely the difference between a)BGMs and b)Vocals from > DVD > > > > > > > > I'm not aware of the copyright laws about the > soundtrack on > > > DVDs, but > > > > it would be great if someone(Amith Chandran?) could > shed some > > > light on > > > > that. But please notice the difference between the > above > > > mentioned > > > > musical bits from DVD: > > > > > > > > a)BGM (Background Music) bits: > > > > 1. Available commercially: NO.. unless released as a > > > soundtrack like > > > > some of the tracks in BOSE. > > > > 2. Rights owned by: Producer/Composer, don't know? > > > > 3. Violations of copyright laws: Maybe, don't know? > > > > > > > > b)Vocals (extracted from DVD): > > > > 1. Available commercially: YES.. in the form of > original CD. > > > We are > > > > extracting the music(vocals) from the DVD, but the > same exact > > > music is > > > > available in the commercial form in original CD. > Commercial here > > > > implies money can be made from it. And technically it > shouldn't > > > > matter if you extract vocals from a CD or a DVD... > because > > > it's the > > > > same song and the same vocals. Therefore, you are > tampering > > > with a > > > > commercially available product.. which definitely > implies > > > violation of > > > > copyright laws. > > > > 2. Rights owned by: same right-holders as the original > CD > > > > 3. Violated of copyright: Definitely YES. > > > > > > > > Therefore, to conclude, we must note the obvious > difference > > > between > > > > just a BGM(not commercially available) vs. Vocals > (Commercially > > > > available in form of CD). > > > > > > > > The copyright laws regarding BGMs are not very clear > and may > > > not be > > > > very well defined in the legal system.. it may be > something > > > like... > > > > "All rights of the DVD are owned by the producer"? But > we can > > > still > > > > argue that BGMs are by themselves not available to the > public in > > > > commercial form. If there is demand for it then maybe > these > > > > producers/composers should start making BGMs > commercially > > > available... > > > > that way we don't have to go through the process of > ripping and > > > > sharing these BGMS. It could be a market they are > overlooking and > > > > while they do something about it, we are filling up > the void > > > for the > > > > die-hard fans and that too for "free". The "free" part > is a > > > big deal > > > > because nobody is making money from these BGMs and > that is > > > what it > > > > boils down to.. how much money did the copyright > holders lose? > > > > > > > > On the other hand, copyright laws of Audio CD are very > well > > > defined. > > > > Either the Record Company owns it(most of the times) > or the > > > producer > > > > owns it or the composer owns it or they own it > partially( > > > Rahman is > > > > working on it). > > > > I believe full length vocals of any song should not be > > > shared..for the > > > > very same reason we do not share full length audio > songs from > > > Rahman's > > > > CDs. > > > > > > > > Rahman is an excellent corporate citizen and he is our > role > > > model. We > > > > should learn from him and follow him in his ideals as > true > > > fans. We > > > > as a group and as true Rahman fans are against piracy > and > > > plagiarism. > > > > Not just Rahman's... please buy original CDs and DVDs > of all the > > > > Artists you like! > > > > > > > > Make Rahman Proud, > > > > Wasim. > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected] <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com<arrahmanfans%2540yahoogroups.com>>, > Aravind AM > > > <aravind_am@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > I have extracted voice only tracks of songs in Taal > and > > > Dil-Se... > > > > But, now I'm having second thoughts on uploading it to > the group. > > > > > > > > > > After seeing this series of mails on whether or not > sharing > > > this > > > > mail, I'm now thoroughly confused. On reading > kaissiom's > > > mail, I > > > > could truly empathise with his argument. Whatever he > has > > > mentioned in > > > > his mail makes a lot of sense, and he is totally > justified! > > > > > > > > > > Now, I'm torn between the two - joy of sharing and > > > > ethics/copyright issues. > > > > > > > > > > Gopal and Vijay, It would be great if you could give > your > > > views on > > > > the same!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aravind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://arrahmaniac.blogspot.com > > > <http://arrahmaniac.blogspot.com/> > > > > > > > > > > Download Rahmania show interviews at > > > http://rahmania.4shared.com <http://rahmania.4shared.com/> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to > > > > http://messenger.yahoo.com/invite/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > regards, > > > Vithur > > > > > > ARR in my Heart; > > > His Music in my Blood; > > > -- > > > Farzad Khaleel > > > Webmaster > > > http://rahmaniac.co.nr > > > > >
