Yes, as always ARR choose to reply with his music than with his toungue... This time the same is to happen...
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 5:40 PM, jayaram81 <[email protected]> wrote: > There is a post by Anil Nair with the video link. Please watch > that. > > I am reminded of a "highly respected" Tamil movie composer, whom I > don't wish to name, said this on Doordarshan about Rahman in > 1993 "Let me see how long he lasts. He cannot compose Tamil folk > numbers with a computer." He might have been the authority at that > time, but not after that. Such statements always precede one's > downfall and yes, he had one, never to recover. Jagjit's comments > are similar. They mean only one thing - Arrogance (My opinion) > > Rahman has nothing to prove. His fan base is extremely diverse. > The funny thing about that is that he has dealt with a much wider > range of genres than any other composer and yet his fans want > their tastes rewarded more. > > If you have an opinion, you are entitled to it, but declaring such > things publicly and challenging somebody, leaves nothing but a bad > taste. Jagjit Singh lost my respect for that (even though he might > not need mine) like the other composer did. > > I am not going to give any more credence to Jagjit, his comments > or anybody trying to defend his statements which he said in the > interview by continuing this disscussion anymore. > > Rgds. > > ------- > DISCLAIMER: My doctor diagnosed me with an Obsessive Compulsive > Listening Disorder for Rahman's music. Fortunately, it is > contagious with no cure! :) > > --- In [email protected] <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, > Aakarsh <aakarsh...@...> > wrote: > > > > Ok, first things first. > > > > 1. I am not completely convinced that those words were indeed > spoken by Jagjit Singh, who, (I have seen one of his TV > interviews) admires ARR. And to tell you more, He listens to > Michael Jackson also (he admitted, when interviewer asked about > western music). > > 2. I am not defending Jagjit Singh, but offering a point of view. > > > > Coming to your 3 bullet-points: Here, I am assuming that he did > say these statements and hence here are my takes: > > > > 1. How much does ARR know? - I dont know how much ARR knows > about Ghazals, but all i said was that he Got to compose very few > (if i exclude Tehzeeb, then there are none) Ghazals. > > 2. He will never use Ghazals in his films - Agreed a director > has higher say on the music for a certain situation. Still, in a > career spanning 16 years and 100 films, ARR has given only 3 > Ghazals (as far as i know. i would be glad if someone can cite me > few more examples.). On an average (say 4 songs per film), out of > 400 songs he has composed, there are 3 ghazals. Yes, there are > more soulful, slowpaced numbers, classical numbers, and more fast- > paced numbers and wide array of genres for sure, but not many > ghazals. > > 3. All They do is pick up tunes from west - Tell me, today, when > ARR is at the centre of Indian Film Music, with Golden Globe and > Oscar euphoria and almost every album being rated as a milestone, > with songs catering to every taste (rock, classical, vintage > melodies, western, folk etc), will Any person really call ARR as > Plagiarist? I really doubt so. If Jagjit Singh really said so, I > oppose and condemn. If he didnt, then it is the handiwork of the > author of the article. > > > > As for the rest, I stick to my statements. Some of the members > have rightly cited some of the names here. Farida Khannum, Ghulam > Ali, Iqbal Bano, Mehdi Hassan, Begum Akhtar, Talat Mahmood, > NoorJehan, Nayra Noor.... the list is endless. For that matter, > ARR's and our own favourite - Hariharan is an established Ghazal > singer in his own right. And Madan Mohan is unbeatable (something > which even ARR himself will agree, i am sure) > > Please listen to the ghazals by some of these singers to > understand the genre, the musical treatment given to the lyrics, > the rendition and the form. > > It is indeed a fact that we dont have Ghazals anymore in film > songs (irrespective of who the composer is), which is why we have > Ghazals in separate albums, by the likes of above names and even > Jagjit Singh and Chitra Singh. > > > > Wish ARR covers this genre too. > > > > > > Regards > > Kamal Aakarsh Vishnubhotla. > > > > http://kamal-aakarsh.blogspot.com > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, jayaram81 <jmohanr...@...> wrote: > > > > From: jayaram81 <jmohanr...@...> > > Subject: [arr] Re: Jagjit Singh - What does Rahman know about > ghazals - My thoughts > > To: [email protected] <arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com> > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 6:41 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Seriously? Are you trying to defend "everything" that he said in > > that interview? > > > > 1. What does AR Rahman know about ghazals? > > 2. He will never use a ghazal in his films. > > 3. All they do is pick up tunes from the West > > > > He starts something which is personal here, singling out > somebody > > and then try to generalize it in his third sentence. If you take > > each of the question one by one in the same order it was said, > the > > answer would be > > > > 1. "Not much as you know, but not nothing" > > 2. Ya right. If you don't listen to his film songs, you will > > always end up using the word "Never" > > 3. Ooooo the generalization. If only he had mentioned "he" > instead > > of "they", I would have gone on a rampage here. I have been > > defending Rahman on this for more than 15 years now. Picking up > > tunes they say. > > > > As somebody said, I smell sour grapes. > > > > Aakarsh, > > With all due respects, Jagjit Singh is a great Ghazal artist. > But, > > you got to stop putting oxymorons in your sentences. "We dont > have > > ghazals anymore and lets accept it, even ARR did not compose > > many." -I read your blog (spent a few > > minutes there) and understand that you love poetry but > vehemently > > defending these statements are not the way to go here. > > > > By the way, a director gets to say how many Ghazals are to be > > there in a movie. > > > > Rgds. > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, Aakarsh <aakarsh_vk@ ...> > > wrote: > > > > > > With all due respects to both, Jagjit Singh and also ARR, let > us > > first note that it is an opinion and not necessarily a case of > mud- > > slinging. > > > > > > And he was referring specifically to 'Ghazals' alone. We must > > note that of Jagjit Singh did not admire ARR, he would not have > > agreed to be part of 'Jan Gan Man' by ARR. > > > > > > So, lets not blow it out of proportion. > > > > > > Now, coming to ghazals, if one really listens to Ghazals, say > > the ones that were composed in films, what jagjit Singh said is > > absolutely right. We dont have ghazals anymore and lets accept > it, > > even ARR did not compose many. > > > > > > ARR is music-driven composer and many lyricists, including > > Gulzar, agreed that he gets to write lyrics for the tunes > already > > set into music. and later they work around it. > > > > > > > > > In Ghazals, the words are born first and then music is set to > > the words. > > > Also, the composer has a very indepth acumen about the > language, > > words, vocabulary, usage etc, while composing Ghazals. More > > importantly urdu. > > > > > > For both these points, ARR actually does not fit in. So, he > has > > a point. I am not saying that ARR is incapable of composing > tunes > > for lyrics. Neither i am saying that ARR lacks lyrical sense. > Just > > that he has recently started learning Hindi/urdu and that too > out > > of the songs he composed. So, it is not that he speaks/converses > > in Hindi/urdu to have a grasp/mastery over the language to > > understand the nuances and then set music accordingly so that > > certain words outshine the music, as the ghazals demand that. > > > > > > Jagjit Singh is a seasoned ghazal singer and he has seen the > > length and breadth of this field called 'Ghazals', having been > one > > of the great singers himself. So, from his angle and point of > > view, it is natural for him to feel so. Rahman songs have good > > lyrics for sure, but they are definitely not comparable to the > > ones in Ghazals or the world which Jagjit Singh has seen. > > > > > > The only exception is ARR's Tehzeeb, which had 3 wonderful > > Ghazals, that reaffirmed my faith in ARR that he can compose > good > > ghazals too. But tell me, How many people know about Tehzeeb, > > because it is not a great audio-hit commercially, for us to see > it > > in all TV channels. And also, How many Tehzeebs did ARR do after > > that? None. I am sure that Jagjit Singh never got to listen to > > this album. > > > > > > Just that ARR is not getting film-makers who insist on such > rich > > ghazals. Whatever might be reason, Jagjit has a point though. > Lets > > look at it objectivistically, instead of just posting negative > > comments on Jagjit, without verifying whether he has a valid > point > > or not. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > Kamal Aakarsh Vishnubhotla. > > > > > > http://kamal- aakarsh.blogspot .com > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, gut but <gut_but@ > wrote: > > > > > > From: gut but <gut_but@ > > > > Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Jagjit Singh - What does Rahman know > > about ghazals > > > To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com > > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 11:52 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think Jagit singh is not happy about the fame and attention > > that rahman is getting at the moment ! > > > we need to understand that rahman is not sticking to > particular > > kind of music, he goes according to > > > the taste of contemporary world and theme of movie. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: jsrwm <js...@yahoo. com> > > > To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com > > > Sent: Tuesday, 27 January, 2009 23:22:32 > > > Subject: [arr] Re: Jagjit Singh - What does Rahman know about > > ghazals > > > > > > > > > > > > Another story of "Oops this is a sour grape" begins.. > > > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, Anil Nair > > <rhythmcalls@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Didn't expect Jagjit Singh to say this ...or maybe its just > > yet again > > > the > > > > "media monster" at work > > > > > > > > -A > > > > > > > > http://movies. indiainfo. com/2009/ 01/28/0901280633 > > _gazals.html > > > > > > > > What does Rahman know about ghazals?Wednesday, January 28, > > 2009 06:31 > > > [IST] > > > > > > > > Mumbai: DNA > > > <http://movies. indiainfo. com/2009/ 01/28/0901280633 > > _gazals.html# >, > > > > in association with Rotary Club of Hiranandani Estate, > Thane, > > brings > > > on > > > > stage the legendary ghazal maestro to recreate the magic of > the > > > > music<http://movies. indiainfo. com/2009/ 01/28/0901280633 > > _gazals.html# > > > > > form. > > > > On the eve of Jagjit Singh Live in > > > > > > > Concert<http://movies. indiainfo. com/2009/ 01/28/0901280633 > > _gazals.html# > > > > > (at > > > > the Shanmukhananda Auditorium), the veteran exponent of > > ghazals rues > > > the end > > > > of their era in Hindi films. > > > > > > > > Jagjit is not singing any film songs currently because he > > feels there > > > is a > > > > lack of taste on the part of today's filmmakers and music > > directors. > > > "They > > > > don't know what ghazals are all about and they lack good > taste > > in > > > music. > > > > What does AR Rahman know about ghazals? He will never use a > > ghazal in > > > his > > > > films. All they do is pick up tunes from the West," he says. > > > > > > > > He criticises contemporary music directors for ruining the > > Indianness > > > of > > > > sound. "Earlier, in the 60s and 70s, 90% of the music was > > based on the > > > > ghazal. Today, there's no poetry phrasing, it's all Western > > and the > > > language > > > > is tapori -- a mix of English and Hindi. What kind of lyrics > > are Pappu > > > > can't dance > > > <http://movies. indiainfo. com/2009/ 01/28/0901280633 > > _gazals.html# > > > > > saala?" > > > > > > > > Yet the popularity of the form endures. He says, "My > audience > > has only > > > grown > > > > over the years. I always improvise and add variations to my > > old songs > > > on > > > > stage. Every ghazal is re-born on that day." > > > > > > > > Interestingly, Jagjit only performs for a cause. On January > > 29, at the > > > DNA > > > > and Rotary concert, he will perform to provide midday meals > for > > > children. He > > > > says, "I never give dates to concerts which are just money- > > making > > > measures. > > > > I want to give back to the society. So I give my dates only > to > > charity > > > > concerts." > > > > -- > > > > -A > > > > http://viewsnmuse. blogspot. com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Regards, Anantha the Dreamer http://arrtheboss.blogspot.com
