I meant same computer..not composer..typo
--- In [email protected], "Nagaraj" <arr_naga...@...>
wrote:
>
> Funny thing is the acclaimed composer's son is also using the same
> composer but not with the same success ..lol
>
>
> --- In [email protected], "jayaram81" <jmohanraam@>
> wrote:
> >
> > There is a post by Anil Nair with the video link. Please watch
> > that.
> >
> > I am reminded of a "highly respected" Tamil movie composer, whom
I
> > don't wish to name, said this on Doordarshan about Rahman in
> > 1993 "Let me see how long he lasts. He cannot compose Tamil folk
> > numbers with a computer." He might have been the authority at
that
> > time, but not after that. Such statements always precede one's
> > downfall and yes, he had one, never to recover. Jagjit's comments
> > are similar. They mean only one thing - Arrogance (My opinion)
> >
> > Rahman has nothing to prove. His fan base is extremely diverse.
> > The funny thing about that is that he has dealt with a much wider
> > range of genres than any other composer and yet his fans want
> > their tastes rewarded more.
> >
> > If you have an opinion, you are entitled to it, but declaring
such
> > things publicly and challenging somebody, leaves nothing but a
bad
> > taste. Jagjit Singh lost my respect for that (even though he
might
> > not need mine) like the other composer did.
> >
> > I am not going to give any more credence to Jagjit, his comments
> > or anybody trying to defend his statements which he said in the
> > interview by continuing this disscussion anymore.
> >
> > Rgds.
> >
> > -------
> > DISCLAIMER: My doctor diagnosed me with an Obsessive Compulsive
> > Listening Disorder for Rahman's music. Fortunately, it is
> > contagious with no cure! :)
> >
> >
> > --- In [email protected], Aakarsh <aakarsh_vk@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Ok, first things first.
> > >
> > > 1. I am not completely convinced that those words were indeed
> > spoken by Jagjit Singh, who, (I have seen one of his TV
> > interviews) admires ARR. And to tell you more, He listens to
> > Michael Jackson also (he admitted, when interviewer asked about
> > western music).
> > > 2. I am not defending Jagjit Singh, but offering a point of
view.
> > >
> > > Coming to your 3 bullet-points: Here, I am assuming that he did
> > say these statements and hence here are my takes:
> > >
> > > 1. How much does ARR know? - I dont know how much ARR knows
> > about Ghazals, but all i said was that he Got to compose very few
> > (if i exclude Tehzeeb, then there are none) Ghazals.
> > > 2. He will never use Ghazals in his films - Agreed a director
> > has higher say on the music for a certain situation. Still, in a
> > career spanning 16 years and 100 films, ARR has given only 3
> > Ghazals (as far as i know. i would be glad if someone can cite me
> > few more examples.). On an average (say 4 songs per film), out of
> > 400 songs he has composed, there are 3 ghazals. Yes, there are
> > more soulful, slowpaced numbers, classical numbers, and more fast-
> > paced numbers and wide array of genres for sure, but not many
> > ghazals.
> > > 3. All They do is pick up tunes from west - Tell me, today,
when
> > ARR is at the centre of Indian Film Music, with Golden Globe and
> > Oscar euphoria and almost every album being rated as a milestone,
> > with songs catering to every taste (rock, classical, vintage
> > melodies, western, folk etc), will Any person really call ARR as
> > Plagiarist? I really doubt so. If Jagjit Singh really said so, I
> > oppose and condemn. If he didnt, then it is the handiwork of the
> > author of the article.
> > >
> > > As for the rest, I stick to my statements. Some of the members
> > have rightly cited some of the names here. Farida Khannum, Ghulam
> > Ali, Iqbal Bano, Mehdi Hassan, Begum Akhtar, Talat Mahmood,
> > NoorJehan, Nayra Noor.... the list is endless. For that matter,
> > ARR's and our own favourite - Hariharan is an established Ghazal
> > singer in his own right. And Madan Mohan is unbeatable (something
> > which even ARR himself will agree, i am sure)
> > > Please listen to the ghazals by some of these singers to
> > understand the genre, the musical treatment given to the lyrics,
> > the rendition and the form.
> > > It is indeed a fact that we dont have Ghazals anymore in film
> > songs (irrespective of who the composer is), which is why we have
> > Ghazals in separate albums, by the likes of above names and even
> > Jagjit Singh and Chitra Singh.
> > >
> > > Wish ARR covers this genre too.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Kamal Aakarsh Vishnubhotla.
> > >
> > > http://kamal-aakarsh.blogspot.com
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, jayaram81 <jmohanraam@> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: jayaram81 <jmohanraam@>
> > > Subject: [arr] Re: Jagjit Singh - What does Rahman know about
> > ghazals - My thoughts
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 6:41 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Seriously? Are you trying to defend "everything" that he said
in
> > > that interview?
> > >
> > > 1. What does AR Rahman know about ghazals?
> > > 2. He will never use a ghazal in his films.
> > > 3. All they do is pick up tunes from the West
> > >
> > > He starts something which is personal here, singling out
> > somebody
> > > and then try to generalize it in his third sentence. If you
take
> > > each of the question one by one in the same order it was said,
> > the
> > > answer would be
> > >
> > > 1. "Not much as you know, but not nothing"
> > > 2. Ya right. If you don't listen to his film songs, you will
> > > always end up using the word "Never"
> > > 3. Ooooo the generalization. If only he had mentioned "he"
> > instead
> > > of "they", I would have gone on a rampage here. I have been
> > > defending Rahman on this for more than 15 years now. Picking up
> > > tunes they say.
> > >
> > > As somebody said, I smell sour grapes.
> > >
> > > Aakarsh,
> > > With all due respects, Jagjit Singh is a great Ghazal artist.
> > But,
> > > you got to stop putting oxymorons in your sentences. "We dont
> > have
> > > ghazals anymore and lets accept it, even ARR did not compose
> > > many." -I read your blog (spent a few
> > > minutes there) and understand that you love poetry but
> > vehemently
> > > defending these statements are not the way to go here.
> > >
> > > By the way, a director gets to say how many Ghazals are to be
> > > there in a movie.
> > >
> > > Rgds.
> > >
> > > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, Aakarsh
<aakarsh_vk@ ...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > With all due respects to both, Jagjit Singh and also ARR, let
> > us
> > > first note that it is an opinion and not necessarily a case of
> > mud-
> > > slinging.
> > > >
> > > > And he was referring specifically to 'Ghazals' alone. We must
> > > note that of Jagjit Singh did not admire ARR, he would not have
> > > agreed to be part of 'Jan Gan Man' by ARR.
> > > >
> > > > So, lets not blow it out of proportion.
> > > >
> > > > Now, coming to ghazals, if one really listens to Ghazals, say
> > > the ones that were composed in films, what jagjit Singh said is
> > > absolutely right. We dont have ghazals anymore and lets accept
> > it,
> > > even ARR did not compose many.
> > > >
> > > > ARR is music-driven composer and many lyricists, including
> > > Gulzar, agreed that he gets to write lyrics for the tunes
> > already
> > > set into music. and later they work around it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In Ghazals, the words are born first and then music is set to
> > > the words.
> > > > Also, the composer has a very indepth acumen about the
> > language,
> > > words, vocabulary, usage etc, while composing Ghazals. More
> > > importantly urdu.
> > > >
> > > > For both these points, ARR actually does not fit in. So, he
> > has
> > > a point. I am not saying that ARR is incapable of composing
> > tunes
> > > for lyrics. Neither i am saying that ARR lacks lyrical sense.
> > Just
> > > that he has recently started learning Hindi/urdu and that too
> > out
> > > of the songs he composed. So, it is not that he
speaks/converses
> > > in Hindi/urdu to have a grasp/mastery over the language to
> > > understand the nuances and then set music accordingly so that
> > > certain words outshine the music, as the ghazals demand that.
> > > >
> > > > Jagjit Singh is a seasoned ghazal singer and he has seen the
> > > length and breadth of this field called 'Ghazals', having been
> > one
> > > of the great singers himself. So, from his angle and point of
> > > view, it is natural for him to feel so. Rahman songs have good
> > > lyrics for sure, but they are definitely not comparable to the
> > > ones in Ghazals or the world which Jagjit Singh has seen.
> > > >
> > > > The only exception is ARR's Tehzeeb, which had 3 wonderful
> > > Ghazals, that reaffirmed my faith in ARR that he can compose
> > good
> > > ghazals too. But tell me, How many people know about Tehzeeb,
> > > because it is not a great audio-hit commercially, for us to see
> > it
> > > in all TV channels. And also, How many Tehzeebs did ARR do
after
> > > that? None. I am sure that Jagjit Singh never got to listen to
> > > this album.
> > > >
> > > > Just that ARR is not getting film-makers who insist on such
> > rich
> > > ghazals. Whatever might be reason, Jagjit has a point though.
> > Lets
> > > look at it objectivistically, instead of just posting negative
> > > comments on Jagjit, without verifying whether he has a valid
> > point
> > > or not.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Kamal Aakarsh Vishnubhotla.
> > > >
> > > > http://kamal- aakarsh.blogspot .com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Wed, 1/28/09, gut but <gut_but@ > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: gut but <gut_but@ >
> > > > Subject: Re: [arr] Re: Jagjit Singh - What does Rahman know
> > > about ghazals
> > > > To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 11:52 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think Jagit singh is not happy about the fame and attention
> > > that rahman is getting at the moment !
> > > > we need to understand that rahman is not sticking to
> > particular
> > > kind of music, he goes according to
> > > > the taste of contemporary world and theme of movie.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: jsrwm <js...@yahoo. com>
> > > > To: arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, 27 January, 2009 23:22:32
> > > > Subject: [arr] Re: Jagjit Singh - What does Rahman know about
> > > ghazals
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Another story of "Oops this is a sour grape" begins..
> > > >
> > > > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. com, Anil Nair
> > > <rhythmcalls@ ...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Didn't expect Jagjit Singh to say this ...or maybe its just
> > > yet again
> > > > the
> > > > > "media monster" at work
> > > > >
> > > > > -A
> > > > >
> > > > > http://movies. indiainfo. com/2009/ 01/28/0901280633
> > > _gazals.html
> > > > >
> > > > > What does Rahman know about ghazals?Wednesday, January 28,
> > > 2009 06:31
> > > > [IST]
> > > > >
> > > > > Mumbai: DNA
> > > > <http://movies. indiainfo. com/2009/ 01/28/0901280633
> > > _gazals.html# >,
> > > > > in association with Rotary Club of Hiranandani Estate,
> > Thane,
> > > brings
> > > > on
> > > > > stage the legendary ghazal maestro to recreate the magic of
> > the
> > > > > music<http://movies. indiainfo. com/2009/ 01/28/0901280633
> > > _gazals.html# >
> > > > > form.
> > > > > On the eve of Jagjit Singh Live in
> > > > >
> > > > Concert<http://movies. indiainfo. com/2009/ 01/28/0901280633
> > > _gazals.html# >
> > > > > (at
> > > > > the Shanmukhananda Auditorium), the veteran exponent of
> > > ghazals rues
> > > > the end
> > > > > of their era in Hindi films.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jagjit is not singing any film songs currently because he
> > > feels there
> > > > is a
> > > > > lack of taste on the part of today's filmmakers and music
> > > directors.
> > > > "They
> > > > > don't know what ghazals are all about and they lack good
> > taste
> > > in
> > > > music.
> > > > > What does AR Rahman know about ghazals? He will never use a
> > > ghazal in
> > > > his
> > > > > films. All they do is pick up tunes from the West," he says.
> > > > >
> > > > > He criticises contemporary music directors for ruining the
> > > Indianness
> > > > of
> > > > > sound. "Earlier, in the 60s and 70s, 90% of the music was
> > > based on the
> > > > > ghazal. Today, there's no poetry phrasing, it's all Western
> > > and the
> > > > language
> > > > > is tapori -- a mix of English and Hindi. What kind of
lyrics
> > > are Pappu
> > > > > can't dance
> > > > <http://movies. indiainfo. com/2009/ 01/28/0901280633
> > > _gazals.html# >
> > > > > saala?"
> > > > >
> > > > > Yet the popularity of the form endures. He says, "My
> > audience
> > > has only
> > > > grown
> > > > > over the years. I always improvise and add variations to my
> > > old songs
> > > > on
> > > > > stage. Every ghazal is re-born on that day."
> > > > >
> > > > > Interestingly, Jagjit only performs for a cause. On January
> > > 29, at the
> > > > DNA
> > > > > and Rotary concert, he will perform to provide midday meals
> > for
> > > > children. He
> > > > > says, "I never give dates to concerts which are just money-
> > > making
> > > > measures.
> > > > > I want to give back to the society. So I give my dates only
> > to
> > > charity
> > > > > concerts."
> > > > > --
> > > > > -A
> > > > > http://viewsnmuse. blogspot. com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
