Wow, Gayathri, so nicely put into words and well explained! So glad you are posting in our group! And Anil, you're right, ARR's music is the soundtrack to our lives!
--- In [email protected], Anil Nair <rhythmca...@...> wrote: > > Brilliantly put Gayathri ..its so true ...the fact that ARR never ceases to > surprise us ...makes us happy ...and the fact that so many of us ...we grew > up with them. At every juncture in our life, there is some ARR tune that we > can relate to ...remember those days with that movie song that came out at > that time. I think thats what makes ARR so special ..he has given so many of > us those moments ..those special moments that makes our life tick ... > > -A > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Gayathri Chandrakasan < > gayathri_c...@...> wrote: > > > > > > > Dinesh, I understand your point as I too grew up listening to ARR's songs > > all my life. Without meaning to sound disrespectful to MDs like Ilayaraja, > > Jatin-Lalit and others, I wish to state that I never had much interest in > > Indian music before Roja. I found that most of the tunes to be repetitive, > > predictable and at most times distasteful (at least to me). And the only > > time I actually listen to these songs was when they are played in the movie. > > So much so, that the thought of purchasing the audio cassette never occured > > in my mind. > > > > And then, Roja came. It swept me like a fresh breath of air. The blissful > > Chinna Chinna Aasai still gives me goosebumps today! Movies like Gentleman, > > Puthiya Mukham, Thiruda Thiruda, Duet followed suit and by then, I was > > hooked to ARR's music. The first cassette that I bought in my life was ARR's > > Gentleman. (I actually saved my allowance money for months to purchase the > > cassette). The first cd that I bought was ARR's Minsara Kanavu. In short, > > it's safe to say that my life revolved around ARR's music. I grew up with > > them...I grew up in them. > > > > Therefore, it came as no surprise to me that he went on to make major > > changes to his music. Why should I? The revolution he made was the sole > > reason that generated me to listen to Tamil music in the first place. Thus, > > I'm proud to say that I love Guru, Rang De Basanthi, and Blue as much as I > > love Roja, Gentleman and Puthiya Mukham. I would go on to say that the new > > genre he creates, the new tunes he invents is as priceless as any of his > > previous compositions. > > > > And that is the reason why I beg to differ with Sriram's and your opinion. > > When you say (and I quote) "And i too truly believe the lack usage of > > carnatic raagam is the sole fact of his lack of soulfulness albums > > nowadays", naturally, it would irk some members' feelings. You have rights > > to your own opinion of course, nevertheless, stating your opinion as a fact > > is totally uncalled-for. > > > > I agree when some say ARR has reduced the usage of carnatic music in his > > recent songs. But to quote that as the reason for the lack of soulfulness in > > his recent albums is definitely debatable. To begin with, carnatic music is > > not the only genre in Indian music. History states that carnatic is the > > sub-genre of Indian classical music. The other being Hindustani music, which > > have also played a major role in all indian music (and I truly believe that > > Tamil films are no exception to them either). Therefore the limitation of a > > particular genre of music will definitely not be a reason for lack of any > > soulfulness in any music, let alone ARR's. > > > > In your previous mail, you mentioned about a gentleman who is well versed > > in carnatic music. Your mail suggested that you agree with his view that the > > lack of carnatic music is the reason why many feel that ARR has lost his > > touch, and that's the sole fact. > > > > Allow me to pose a question. Do you know what raga was used to compose En > > Veetu Thothatil from Gentleman, or Ennavale from Kadhalan? > > > > Truthfully, I didn't know that pure carnatic music were used to compose > > these masterpieces. To me, they were film songs and more accurately, ARR's > > songs. I never bothered to analyse the genre of the songs...not back then > > and not even now. And I believe many don't analyse them either. They simply > > enjoy the songs for the way it has been created. > > > > The same goes for Rehnuma in Blue. I love this song...I've been hearing > > them for the umpteenth time now. What genre of music does this song generate > > from? Again, I have no clue. I just love it for the way it has been > > presented. > > > > And to think about it, does Rehnuma which seemingly a western song lack the > > soul of Ennavale, a classical based song? In my opinion, they don't. If > > Ennavale was composed today, using western music and western instruments, I > > believe it would still be soulful. Because soul doesn't lie in a particular > > system of music...it lies in the way the song is presented. > > > > People who are inclined towards carnatic music might find songs like > > Fiqrana and Rehnuma as "soul-less". Likewise, those who love western music > > might find songs like Sowkiyama from Sangamam a-little-too-hard-to-digest. > > But ARR's music was never catered to fulfil a certain section's need. The > > beauty of his music is that he never left any stones untouched. There's > > always something for everyone. That is why he, a Tamilian, could create a > > storm in the Bollywood, a territory where many south musicians wanted to > > venture but failed. And that is again why he managed to storm into Hollywood > > and succeed there as well. > > > > I don't want to tell your good gentleman friend to listen to Rehnuma before > > deciding on the "lack of soul" topic. In all probabilites, his love for > > ARR's carnatic touch is what preventing him from finding other genres as > > soul-less. But growing up with ARR's music, my only wish is that ARR > > doesn't limit himself to a particular system of music. I don't ever want to > > state that I love ARR's music because he brings out the carnatic touch so > > beautifully, or that his western music is to die-for! > > > > I love ARR's music because they never cease to surprise me...because they > > never fail to bring a happiness to me...and because they complete me! > > > > --- On *Sun, 10/11/09, Din, D, Nesh <dinesh.theb...@...>* wrote: > > > > > > From: Din, D, Nesh <dinesh.theb...@...> > > Subject: [arr] Re: Right to opinion - do you think these songs lack soul? > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Sunday, October 11, 2009, 1:58 AM > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chord, its very difficult to explain from my point of view. You see, i > > have been an ARR fan ever since 4 y/o (the time Roja released) - apparently > > which ever song i enjoyed back then, had music by ARR only, be it Duet, > > Pudhiya Mugam, Thiruda Thiruda, Love Birds, Kadhalan, May Madham, etc etc. > > :), i grw up listening to ARR's Tamil songs only. > > > > But became a true maniac from Kadhalar Dhinam. So this only means his > > carnatic pattern is inside my blood. Though i enjoy allot the songs u > > mentioned below, its been quite sometime i re-visited them (thanks for > > reminding me though). My hands never fail to click on his Duet, Thiruda > > Thiruda, Kadhalan, Iruvar, Indian, May Madham, Alaipayuthey etc etc folders > > or Cds, but the list of songs u mentioned does slip off my mind nowadays. > > Not saying its lacking soul, but just using that line as 1 of our member > > mentioned it and in a way, it does apply to my kind of expectations from > > boss. The current songs are extremely good, new in every aspects, which is > > why many r appreciating ARR more, because of the innovative songs he > > provides. His current songs have more complicated twist and what not. That i > > agree. :) > > > > But this does not mean i expect a Roja, Thiruda Thiruda album from him > > anymore. Im quite contented with what he has done in 1990s. I can go on > > listening it for the rest of my life, still studying those songs. :) > > > > But its a hard fact that the lack of usage of carnatic these days in his > > songs is why many fans r complaining the 'missing touch'. That is why i > > posted it here, just to let some people know, and not a request for ARR to > > compose songs the same style again. Please note that. > > > > The day i found it out, asked that gentleman who is well versed in carnatic > > music and referred back to my frens, and its a bullseye! Thats the sole > > fact. Thats why i was actually expecting a more detailed information from > > Swaps, who is a master of music here. But he must be busy. > > > > ps : ill tell u a few songs that will make the whole list u gave collapse > > for me :). > > > > Anjali Anjali - Duet > > Pennala Pennala - Uzhavan > > Ennavale - Kadhalan > > > > :) Subham. :) > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. > > com<http://mc/compose?to=arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "ichord" <purevibz@ .> wrote: > > > > > > Hey Din, > > > > > > You said, "the lack usage of carnatic raagam is the sole fact of his lack > > of soulfulness albums nowadays". Now I will interpret that as you thinking > > that nothing that ARR has created recently has soul, am I correct? If you > > miss Carnatic raagas, that I can understand, but please do check out the > > flute continuum raaga ending of Rehna Tu from D6 when you can. > > > > > > I'm just curious here, but do you feel the following recent songs by ARR > > lack soul? > > > > > > Starting from Guru: > > > Tere Bina > > > Aye Hairathe Aashiqui > > > Jaage Hain > > > Jashne Bahaar > > > Khwaja Mere Khwaja > > > Man Mohanna > > > In Lamhon Ke Daaman > > > Jashne Bahaar Instrumental > > > Khwaja Instrumental > > > Jaane Tu Mere Kya Tha (Sukhwinder version) > > > Meherbaan > > > Mile Wahaan Wahaan > > > Ishq Ada Hai (male and female) > > > Hawa Sun Hawa > > > Muskura > > > Tu Meri Dost > > > Zindagi > > > Dil Ka Rishta > > > Man Mohiney More > > > Kaise Mujhe > > > Kaise Mujhe Instrumental > > > Dil Gira Dafatan > > > Rehna Tu > > > Masakli > > > Marudhani > > > Arziyan > > > Man Chandre > > > Silent Invocations > > > Mosquito > > > Himalaya > > > Kural > > > Mylapore Blues > > > Dreams on Fire > > > Latika's Theme > > > Jason and Cynthia Suite > > > Intervention > > > Undress > > > Sajna > > > Kurukuru Kan > > > Salvadore > > > Waterfall > > > Animal Spirits > > > Jason and Cynthia Piano Theme > > > Arya > > > Atmosphere > > > Opening > > > Tango > > > Waltz > > > > > > If you do think all of these songs lack soul, then I have very little > > more to comment. Thanks. > > > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. > > > com<http://mc/compose?to=arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Din, D, Nesh" <dinesh.theboss@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Greetings sriram, ur post is absolutely true. I have been a member of > > this group ever since 2001 , and back in those days, members who are active > > were never harsh and rude towards the members as like nowadays. Not willing > > to mention the names here. I have expressed about this here few months back. > > Nowadays members can post without thinking whether is it rude or not. They > > just easily call people names and throw rough words on their own fellow > > brothers. Sarcasm is the popular attitude among the members here nowadays. > > Shame on them! > > > > > > > > About the criticism, yes, members nowdays r afraid to face any > > negatives review towards ARR songs nowadays. If u say 1 negative word about > > the songs, u will have to prepare to face all kinda 'colorful' criticism > > from the people here. This behavior truly irks me. > > > > > > > > And i too truly believe the lack usage of carnatic raagam is the sole > > fact of his lack of soulfulness albums nowadays. I do hope this will reach > > A.R.Rahman. Unless A.R.Rahman is happy on how the way it is nowdays, that he > > is getting the recognition with the current pattern he is using, then we can > > just drop this matter. > > > > > > > > --- In arrahmanfans@ yahoogroups. > > > > com<http://mc/compose?to=arrahmanfans%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "sriramvr_in" <sriramvr_in@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Each member has a right to his opinion. I have been silently > > listening to the comments made about me reg. criticism of album Blue > > "lacking soul". I Stand by the fact anytime, anyday. Unfortunately there > > isn't anything which I can take as constructive from those criticisms! Wish > > them luck and prosperity throughout their life. > > > > > > > > > > Gopal, This group used to be a great forum previously but the fact > > that many new people are fearing to accept any criticism these days! ARR > > fans have the right to criticise ARR. Right to constructive criticism will > > be only a healthy leading indicator and which will be wholeheartedly > > welcomed by the Master himself. But unfortunately there aren't too many > > members who like constructive criticisms these years. > > > > > > > > > > Had one valid point from a member saying that probably lesser usage > > of carnatic raagas might be the reason. Reasonings like those will be an > > eye-opener and will help in identifying the reason. > > > > > > > > > > What justification to be given when it simply lacks "soul"? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > V R Sriram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > -A > http://viewsnmuse.blogspot.com >
