I can find nothing on the net to confirm your statements.  The closest
thing I can find that relates to this is the list of the "20 golden
rules" of the oracle RBO.

http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/orsqltunpr/chapter/excerpt.html

In this list, bound range and unbound range searches still rank higher
than a table scan.

I ran into a similar problem as this with the email messages form,
where 2m records were sent and < 3000 were error/received/sent.  When
the email engine executes its query to poll for messages to send, it
will not use an index on the status field (using an equal comparison),
even though that index narrowed the query to < 50 records out of > 2m
records.  Don't ask me why, but partitioning the table was the only
resolution I could come up with to get the query the email engine
issues to use an index.  Hopefully the folks at BMC tweaked the next
release of their product to use a more structured query that is
capable of using indexes on the db's they support.

Axton Grams

On 5/4/06, McKenzie, James J C-E LCMC HQISEC/L3
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
**

Axton:

That was directly from the PT&T class and was enforced by some basic ORACLE
training that I received.

Here is gist of the training:

If the query can be closed end (i.e. equals) then the optimizer will look to
see if the index can be used.  This happens at the point where about eight
percent or less of the index entries are pulled back.

If the query is not closed end (i.e not equals) then the optimizer will do a
full table scan.
So the key here is what is and is not closed end.  If the entry has an
equals sign in it like the following:

'Status' <= "Pending" the optimizer SHOULD look at the index and see
approximately how many entries would be pulled back.

'Status' < "Resolved" SHOULD result in a full table scan.

The key here is that the data in the field must be highly variable OR the
data is bunched around a single value.  In this case, over 280,000 of about
300,000 have a single value with the remaining 20,000 (less than 8%) are
scattered around the remaining values.  So, if the training I received is
correct, using the <= value should result in an index scan IF you do not use
the value with 280,000 entries, which is the case here.

I don't have a form with 1,000 let alone 100,000 entries.  Does anyone want
to confirm/deny that this is the case?

James McKenzie
L-3 GSI


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Subject: Re: Oracle 9.2.0.5 CBO Not Using Index




I don't think using >  vs. >= will make a difference, but the stats could
prove me wrong.

Consider partitioning the table on the allowed status values.  You can
accomplish this using the ardb.cfg file for new tables or using the
ardb.conf file plus your dba for existing tables; though this will require
some offline time to convert existing tables, esp. those with large amounts
of data (read worklog and audit trail diary fields).

If you partition the table into 3 sections based on range (keyword "range
partition"):

PartitionA: 0-4
PartitionB: 5
PartitionC: 6

Then also include in the ardb.cfg to create the index on the status field
using the same partition ranges.

There is a way in 9i and higher to allow row relocation between partitions
that you will have to investigate.  The keywords escape me at the moment.

See these links for more specifics:
http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/oracle9i/datasheets/partitioning.html
http://www.lc.leidenuniv.nl/awcourse/oracle/server.920/a96521/partiti.htm

One little gem I will throw out there is that the ardb.cfg file only
interprets the first 314 or so characters of the clause you provide, so
don't overstep that limit or the table/index creation will fail.

This method will ensure your server will use the index provided for the
status column.

Axton Grams

On 5/3/06, McKenzie, James J C-E LCMC HQISEC/L3
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> **
>
> Jon:
>
> Your problem is using the < sign.  This forces Oracle to check EACH
> and EVERY entry in the table.  Try this:
>
> 'Status' <= "Pending"
>
> This should use the index as you are now looking for a value that has
> an end.
>
> James McKenzie
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jon Chau
> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 2:30 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Oracle 9.2.0.5 CBO Not Using Index
>
> Hello Listers,
>
> I've read some past threads on Oracle CBO optimization and database
> tuning and have been having a constant battle with my DBA on how to
> resolve the issue we are having.  We have a HelpDesk form with an
> index against the Status field and it is not being used when we are
> using a range query.  Example - 'Status' < "Resolved".  Our
> optimization mode is set to choose and due to the distribution it
> wants/does a full table scan and causes several queries against the
> Status field to timeout:
>
>  COUNT(C7)         C7
> ---------- ----------
>          3          0 - New
>        597          1 - Assigned
>        192          2 - Work In Progress
>        133          3 - Pending
>       2083          4 - Resolved
>     283007          5 - Closed
>         34          6 - Recovered
>
> As you can see there are under 300k rows on this form/table.
>
> I looked into changing optimizer_index_cost_adj parameter so maybe the
> CBO would use the index but it didn't have an effect.  We tried
> changing it to 10 on an session basis and ran our query.  We checked
> to see the suggested parameter value from a script that was given
> here:  http://www.dba-oracle.com/oracle_tips_cost_adj.htm
> and that
> wanted us to use 0, which is almost like using rule based optimization
> mode (my DBA said).  Rule based does hit the index, but we want to
> stay on choose.  We also update statistics on a weekly basis.  Does
> anyone have any suggestions?  The only thing I can think of is
> archiving, but it sounds like there are higher volume systems out
> there that don't have this problem.
>
> Environment
> Oracle 9.2.0.5 on HP-UX instance shared with another application ARS
> 6.3 p13 Windows 2003 HelpDesk 6.0
>
> TIA,
> Jon
>
>
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