Bamba is definitely someone who will go the extra mile. But I still find that most every support person some kind of accent. Maybe its because I speak in my native Brooklynese. All kidding aside, it bothers me that in some of these posts I am seeing references to accents and money. I think that the truest nature of the problem is being avoided. Its not so much that its all that cheaper, in fact its not, and in most cases outsourcing hurts the company both financially and professionally. But what are they to do? After all, we have been producing almost illiterate high-school and college students in this country. In fact just recentlt in NY State, the Regents Diploma requirements are going to be dumbed down yet again. The propsal is now that instead of passing all subjects with the abysmal 65%, it is proposed that students should only have to pass 5 out of 8 tests. Oh yes.... and passing would be 55%. The fact is that Dublin has an eager and well educated work force eager for jobs, and they speak proper English... much like in India. Maybe NY's Bored of Edjamuckahun could learn something from them, and its not just NY, its a national problem.
OK thats' my rant for today, why should Claire have all the fun.
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Warren:
I agree with your comment on Bamba...One who actually will bust their butt to keep you happy. Same with Alfred.
As to Countrywide, I always dealt with the local office. I told them that was their area. Either they fix it or my business (and loan) go elsewhere. Since I was on a VA loan, they were very friendly (yes, you can get them removed and quickly.)
James McKenzie
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Well, I'll chime in here. I have dealt with overseas from time to time (not very recently though). The last time I did, it was a licensing issue and I was dealing with a malaysian support center. The lady was VERY helpful and very quick.
That being said.
In the last couple of years, I have noticed a steady slide in support from BMC. It is no where near what used to expect in the days of Remedy (pre dead bird). That is not to say that I have not had good experiences (yay Bamba!). Nor have a majority of my experiences been "bad". They have however been mediocre. And that is with the US call centers. Moving support to a global effort is not neccesarily a bad idea. It's how you approach it. What many companies have experienced is due to a number of things. Poor planning when preparing to switch, and a lack of commitment by the company contracted to do the work. (Dell I believe made both of these mistakes). Recently, I received a call from an Indian Call Center that is contracted with my mortgage bank (Countrywide). They thought that I had not payed my mortgage. (I had). Thanks to the Internet, I was able to pull up my records and see that the payment had been submitted, but that the bank had accidently put against principal and not the June payment (it arrived 5/29). Since this had happened before, I knew what the situation was. However, the woman on the other end refused to listen. she just kept repeating her lines over and over. It wasn't until I demanded a US based manager that I got it straightened out.
Bottom line, if your looking to save a few bucks, and you do it wrong, your going to lose so much more in customer good feeling....
On 7/13/06, Rick Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You know, I'm glad that technically, 24x7 support is available, but I'd love to hear from someone that they received support from the overseas support centers that even resembled in quality that which we usually get from the mother ship.
My own experiences haven't been that positive, but I don't want to assume that's the norm without further input.
Rick
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James,
I pay over 63K a year. Sure that includes upgrades to software and patches and technical support. It is also basic support. We had express and (small brag) because I called for support so infrequently, it was determined that we could save money and do with the Basic plan.
I am also in the Healthcare industry... where we bill $100 and get reimbursed by the government $25.00 so tell me where the value in that is??? "You get what you pay for" is a tired and way over used cliché!
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Tim:
What level of support are you paying for? If it is Express or higher, you have it. Basic is Prime Period Maintenance. And support is changing at BMC.
To put it another way, you get what you pay for.
James McKenzie
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So the question is.......why can I not get 24x7 support now? I hate to beat that drum once a year, but for what we pay for support, and they outsource that support around the world, would it not be a good time to finally make this 24x7?
Timothy Button
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>OK, if you live in India or work in the same time zone it is great...
>But for those of us that live in the US, getting an answer at 3:25AM,
>4:34 AM and 5:19AM does not work!
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>This is the most frustrating thing I have experienced with Remedy ever!
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>Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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>Outsourcing is BS! Sure they are (the tech support staff) less costly,
>so the profit goes up, but is the customer happy and satisfied with the
>support? NO! Will the customer be happy and satisfied with the
>support next time someone asks them, probably not!
>
>Claire "grumpy today" Sanford
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