David, I think James understands that. I also think he is using it as a "sorting method" to cut down on the volume of applicants that he sees from "not really interested parties". You and others have made it clear that it is not worth your effort to try to contact him directly to find out more information.
I also think he has made it clear that this condition is part of his design for the communication to ARSList about potential jobs. He appears to be OK with the limitations in his applicant pool that might be induced by the "missing data" in his posts. So.... We appear to have reached a point where multiple people hold mutually exclusive views and have clearly stated their reasons for their views. I suggest that we now enjoy the harmony in so much as we understand each others opinions and move on with the "business of ARSList"... Talking about ARS. :) I really like talking about ARS. -- Carey Matthew Black Remedy Skilled Professional (RSP) ARS = Action Request System(Remedy) Love, then teach Solution = People + Process + Tools Fast, Accurate, Cheap.... Pick two. On 3/28/07, Shellman, David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
James, You seem to have missed the point. Not enough information has been presented for me via the list for me to make an educated decision if I'm interested in pursuing further. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Tobin Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:32 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Permanent Remedy Developer Dave, If you are genuinely interested please contact me "off-list" to discuss further with a view that we may potentially speak over the phone. Regards James -----Original Message----- From: Shellman, David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2007 15:00 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Permanent Remedy Developer James, I enjoyed a few days in Singapore a few years ago. I remember the cultural diversity, drinking Tiger beer at a Mexican restaurant in the quay, the Night Safari, the T-Shirts listing the 10 things that's illegal in Singapore (chew gum, sex in elevator, etc), walking through the street market in the evening, and listening to the hawkers on the street corners to name a few. I was impressed with the fairly graffiti free city/state/country. I was surprised at the level of video camera security years before 9/11. What you have provided for a description of positions in Singapore was not quite enough to pique my curiosity to send you an email asking for further information. For my benefit and a few hundred others that could potentially be interested, sell me on why I would want to move several thousands of miles to take this position. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Tobin Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 9:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Permanent Remedy Developer Daniel, Reposting a job does not necessarily mean that the initial post has been completely unsuccessful. I would look to repost any role on the basis that there has been a small cooling off period between that and the prior post. However members should understand that there are no pre-set terms that an Arslist Recruiter member must adhere to. If there were, such terms might have set out the rules for recruiter reposts and perhaps the level of detail a recruiter "must" show in their post to the Arslist. Members should also understand that a job post will only ever show limited information and should they wish to know more they should contact the recruiter direct (initially by email followed by a phone call). I would consider this the most appropriate and professional response/ method to discuss further details such as salary and customer specifics rather than what I believe to be unhelpful and negative posts to the lists. Regards James -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Bloom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2007 12:31 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Permanent Remedy Developer - Singapore Whilst it would be preferable if no one were ever obtuse, they sometimes are. True that it is not always effective communication. There is a long standing debate between consultants and recruiters about how much detail should be in job posts. Recruiters need to be careful that no one poaches their positions or people, and consultants like to know what they are getting into before they start sending in resumes and revealing a lot of information and possibly loosing their current positions. In general, if a post is on topic, we allow great degrees of obtuseness and simply bad grammer or language use, and even really really simple questions. One can choose to ignore them. This post is obtuse, yet I suspect has made my point. .... Daniel p.s. please wait a week or so before posting Singapore again, and consider why it hasn't been successful. I think your first post for the job was on January 31st -----Original Message----- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Tobin Sent: March 28, 2007 4:58 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Permanent Remedy Developer - Singapore Jarl, thanks for suggesting to Tyrone/ the List the most practical and obvious course of action. Those that are genuinely interested do, have and will contact me to ask details such as salary, it is a shame that a "small" number of List members need to post somewhat obtuse messages.
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