And, software engineering (including Remedy development/configuration!) shares 
another point:
The actual time to create/modify server object(s) may be very trivial compared 
to full-analysis-
of-expected-results, so the change does what is required, AND NOTHING MORE
(how many of us spend substantial time investigating un-intentional side 
effects?).
 
Many of my engineering *experiences* touched on the latter facet in detail......
 
regards to all--and a great weekend!
 
 
** 
 
 
Don W. McClure, P.E.
Systems Engineer &   Application Administrator
University of North Texas
dwmac_at_unt.edu
940.565.3287
 


"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can 
be counted."
(Albert Einstein)


>>> "Shellman, David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 07-Sep-07 11:27 AM >>>
In many countries to practice engineering, you are required to be licensed.  In 
the US, this requires that you first pass an 8 hour endurance test called the 
EIT or Engineer in Training.  Then you "apprentice" for 5 years under other 
licensed engineers.  Finally you are eligible to take another 8 hour exam, the 
Profession Engineer (PE) exam.  In Civil Engineering one chooses which 8 
questions they will answer out of the dozen or so choices presented to them in 
the PE.  Each question is multi-part and designed to take an hour to completely 
answer the question.
 
Dave Shellman PE
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** 

Well, anyway ... they can be specialized in Remedy ... did not say or does not 
mean that they can't be specialized in other areas as well, right? :-)
I think "Engineer" is an interesting topic ... after a quick n' dirty "check" 
with wiki the expression seems to be, or not to be, protected depending on the 
country. Also even when protected, different meaning depending on country.
Like "Engineer" could rate from being something like "the expert that makes the 
coffee" to really someone who passed a certain degree.

Anyway, peace cheers and a nice weekend :-) 
Robert 
Germany 


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Q: How many Remedy Developers does it take to change a lightbulb? 
A: All of them. One does the development, and the rest sit around and say 
"I could have done it better than that!" 




On Fri, 7 Sep 2007, Opela, Gary L Contr OC-ALC/ITMA wrote: 
> I was kind of wondering that myself 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> 
> Gary Opela, Jr 
> 
> Sr. Remedy Developer 
> 
> Leader Communications, Inc. 
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> 405 736 3211 
> 
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> 
> They specialize in Remedy, have only 50 people on that team. 
> 
> 
> 
> What do the other 200 do, change lightbulbs?? 
> 
> 
> 
> "We are a company specializing in Remedy consulting and 
> development with a team of 250+ engineers. Currently our Remedy team 
> is 50 people strong ." 
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> 
> 
> ... Daniel 
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> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) 
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> Sent: September 7, 2007 6:19 AM 
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> Subject: Re: JOB: Remedy position in Kuwait (UNCLASSIFIED) 
> 
> 
> 
> Vikram, 
> 
> As an individual that took and passed both the Engineer in Training and 
> Professional Engineer tests, could you clarify your use of the word 
> engineer?  Are your 250+ individuals licensed software engineers? 
> 
> Dave Shellman, PE 
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> Dave 
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