> And no, I don't believe that what Norm said (as that's whose
statements I
addressed my initial post) that "change and cost with no tangible
benefit is
not worth the cost." His remarks, and I'm paraphrasing, were pretty
much, I
don't believe there is any benefit to ITIL and until someone proves
otherwise I'm not going to be believe it.

That is correct, and it's fair paraphrase of my original statement.
Unless you work for the government or for a non-profit, the company you
work for exists to make a profit.  Period.  If an activity does not
increase profitability, it should not be done.  That's my opinion, of
course, but I think it's common sense.  I'm also a person who believes
the government should be run like a business whenever possible, so the
same rules apply.

And you are also correct in saying that I do not believe something until
someone provides some sort of credible, verifiable evidence to support
it.  If someone says, "UFOs are visiting the earth," I respond by
saying, "You have my attention.  I'm intrigued.  What's your evidence?"
I do NOT believe the claim just because someone said so--especially if
the person making the claim is selling something based on the claim.

> What I am looking for, in the end, is a little responsibility. You
see, I
believe that the BMC bashing on this list is probably at an all-time
high.
(And no, you cannot separate this ITIL argument from BMC as BMC is a
huge
proponent of ITIL.)

Perhaps the level of "BMC bashing" is indicative of something? Perhaps
that many of the people on this list don't like their products or don't
like the direction the company is going?

> If I were someone who needed to make a determination about whether or
not to buy the Remedy ITSM suite, and I utilized the list as one of my
tools to help make that determination, I would turn and run based on
what I've read here concerning ITIL and BMC Support over the last few
days. If you don't believe that there are companies who utilize this
list for just that reason, you're wrong. I know of more than one company
that has done it.

I do believe people use this list to make determinations and I'm happy
for it! I believe that's a side effect of a little thing called freedom
of speech?

Finally, when I said Pat is 100% right when he said that change always
costs money, how can anybody argue with that? It's common sense! Any
change you make costs money.  You hope to recoup that cost through a
return on investment.  That's Business 101. 

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