Dwayne, Sorry to say, but removing permission to the field removes their permission to see what's in the field, not the field itself. The exceptions to this would be 'Trim' fields, buttons, boxes, etc, because those all disappear when you don't have access, but when you don't have access to a Char, Int, etc you simply can't see the contents of the field, but you can still see the field itself
-----Original Message----- From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dwayne Martin Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 7:29 AM To: [email protected] Subject: User can see fields with no permissions Dear List, We have a permission group called "IT". We have a form with some fields that "IT" used to have permission to, but we have decided to remove those permissions. So I went into the Admin Tool and removed "IT" from the permission list in each field. But when a test user with only "IT" permissions opens the form he can still see all the fields. If he tries to change the data and save the form he gets, "ARERR [333] You have no access to field : [field name]", but with "no access" he shouldn't even be able to see the field. I cleared the cache, and made a cosmetic change, and the cosmetic change appears on the screen, so it isn't a caching issue. What is going on? (ARS 7.1, RH Linux server, Oracle 10.2 db) Dwayne Martin James Madison University _______________________________________________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Platinum Sponsor: www.rmsportal.com ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"

