I have heard that argument before.   My question is this, for the average
person, spending less than 3000 dollars, which one really sounds better.
And also the average person is not going to maintain their vinyl well enough
to keep out the pops.

I opt for durability and portability.  In fact, when I got my first demo of
a new technology (Cd's) the guy proved how durable they were by throwing
them against walls and actually driving over one.  Granted if you spin your
tires it won't last, but you couldn't do any of that with vinyl or tapes.
Seemed pretty cool to me.  And now they have solid memory players so that
you can abuse them in other ways and they keep on ticking.  But I chuckle
every time I see a jogger with a micro drive mp3 player.

Technology is a gain, but with every choice, there are sacrifices.

On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 11:15 AM, Kaiser Norm E CIV USAF 96 CS/SCCE <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Yeah...while on that note, there are still many old school enthusiasts
> who make strong arguments that in many, many applications the best
> analog devices still trump the best digital devices.
>
> I have friends who insist that the sound produced by clean vinyl on a
> top-of-the-line turntable still beats the sound produced by the best CD
> player.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
>  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Drew Shuller
> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:52 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: OT: Friday (strange) humor
>
> **
> If anyone would like to know, vacuum tubes are still a really big deal
> for audiophiles and for people in the music biz. This is because people
> who care generally agree that the sound of tube amplification is
> subjectively better than the sound of solid state amplification, with a
> few exceptions.
>
> Guitar players like them because tubes produce better-sounding
> distortion, with a rounded sound-wave rather than the jagged sound wave
> that an overdriven solid state circuit would produce. All-tube amps are
> favorites. Some of them are quite old and some of them are new, but
> they're all pretty darned heavy. Sometimes the pre-amp circuit (the one
> that gets overdriven) will be tube and then the real amplification
> circuit will be solid-state, but for that good, slightly crunchy attack,
> you need all-tube. Also, singers and recording engineers will use
> microphones with an internal pre-amp which contains an itty-bitty vacuum
> tube. These sound "warmer."
>
> Audiophiles also like the warm sound that tubes give. Some of the most
> heaviest, most expensive, and esoteric amplifiers are all-tube,
> rendering units that cost tens of thousands of dollars. Each channel
> gets a separate amplifier. They turn these things on and leave them on
> for the life of the unit...if they are seriously bonkers audiophiles,
> that is.
>
> Anyway, the move to solid-state equipment created a "tube crisis" for
> lots of guitar players and amplifier manufacturers. Crisis was averted
> when the industry found a ready source for vacuum tubes: Russia. They
> still had plenty of crap that ran on them!
>
> Drew
> Tulsa, OK
>
>        -----Original Message-----
>        From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Grooms, Frederick W
>        Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:22 AM
>        To: [email protected]
>        Subject: Re: OT: Friday (strange) humor
>
>
>        **
>        I used to carry the tester or tube case when my dad went out on
> repair calls on the weekends to fix people's TVs.
>
> ________________________________
>
>        From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList)
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Cook
>        Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 10:53 AM
>        To: [email protected]
>        Subject: Re: OT: Friday (strange) humor
>
>
>        **
>        No, you're not.  I can still picture those tube tester machines
> in the stores.  :)
>
>        Rick
>
>
>        On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 8:38 AM, Tim Widowfield
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>                **
>                I hope I'm not the only old guy who was thinking "old
> tubes" was a reference to vacuum tubes.
>
>
>
>                ----- Original Message ----
>                From: "Pierson, Shawn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>                To: [email protected]
>                Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 9:42:32 AM
>                Subject: [ARSLIST] OT: Friday (strange) humor
>
>                **
>                You can tell the boss has been out of the office this
> week.  My team, in conjunction with a team that sits with us, took some
> old tubes and turned cube land into a Chinese temple, complete with both
> male and female lion statues, as well as a bagua mirror with the old
> Remedy logo to ward off evil spirits.
>
>                Hopefully the photos make it through the email.
>
>                Shawn Pierson
>
>
>
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