William, I agree with you about the FTC restrictions, but how is "Remedy<insertword>.com" different than "Arslist.com"? Don't they both refer to trademarked product names?
I don't think anyone anticipates BMC sending Dan a C&D letter about the ARSList, but from a legal perspective, it seems that they could if they wanted to. It probably boils down to whether they think it would help or hurt them. Never forget that lawyers often don't think like the rest of us... Rick On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 8:51 AM, William Rentfrow < [email protected]> wrote: > ** The FTC forbids using registered trademarks in domain names for > commercial websites unless you are the owner of the trademark. Period. If > you use one of these it is quite possible (no idea how likely...) you would > get a registered, hand delivered piece of mail telling you to cease and > desist, courtesy of BMC's legal department. > > This does not apply to non-commercial usage. > > Let's say you grabbed "Remedyusergroup.com" domain though to put up a > national user group. For any of use who make our living in the > Remedy-related world you would have a very hard case showing the split > between where you earned your living and where you didn't make any money off > of this - especially if you had your corporate website in your signature > like mine below. > > Furthermore, the entire problem - even if it was sorted out to your > advantage - would probably involve the other party's lawyers, government > lawyers, and your own lawyers. The costs alone could easily sore into the > six figures in a very short period of time. > > For me the use of any trademark I do not own is an unnacceptable risk. > Using the Scott Adams equation: A bad idea is any idea with a limited upside > and a huge potential downside. > > > William Rentfrow > Principal Consultant, StrataCom Inc. > [email protected] > O 715-592-5185 > C 715-410-8056 > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Sanford, Claire > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:59 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Attention BMC/Remedy Partners and Resellers :: > Remedy-Themed Internet Domains for Sale or Lease > > ** If Remedy had remained a stand alone company, those prices MAY be > justified. As it is... he has been paying to maintain the domain names for > however long he has had them for no real reason. > > I understand that Bing is a well known and respected member of the Remedy > community, but what he is asking for the names is extreme for something that > is in a sense being "retired" in the corporate naming world. I would be > willing to bet that in the next 4 or 5 years, the name "Remedy" will > disappear for "BMC" whatever. > > We are the Cult Of Remedy, not BMC! ;) > > Claire > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Daniel Bloom > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:10 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Attention BMC/Remedy Partners and Resellers :: > Remedy-Themed Internet Domains for Sale or Lease > > ** Hi Susan, > Exactly my point, he should just hand over the .org URLs since they are > theoretically non-commercial in nature. > > ... Daniel > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Susan Palmer > *Sent:* June 23, 2009 10:36 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: Attention BMC/Remedy Partners and Resellers :: > Remedy-Themed Internet Domains for Sale or Lease > > ** I do own www.RemedyUserGroups.com <http://www.remedyusergroups.com/>which > Matt hosts and uses for all user groups that are interested. Matt > does all the work !! > > Susan > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Daniel Bloom <[email protected]>wrote: > >> ** Hi Bing, >> >> Well instead of being a cyber capitalist come on down to WWRUG09 and >> auction off the URLs >> and donate the proceeds to charity. >> >> Hmm, RemedyUserGroup.org, think that is really ARSlist and WWRUG?? >> (or perhaps Matt Reinfeldt would like to claim it since he hosts a bunch). >> Hand it over bud :-) >> >> ... Daniel >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Bing >> *Sent:* June 23, 2009 10:07 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Attention BMC/Remedy Partners and Resellers :: Remedy-Themed >> Internet Domains for Sale or Lease >> >> ** >> >> Over the past few years ITM3 California has quietly amassed a collection >> of Remedy-themed internet domains. But since our business is growing in >> decidedly non-Remedy areas, we've decided to sell or lease most these >> domains. >> >> Some of the more interesting .com domain names include: >> >> * RemedyAdministrator.com* >> * RemedyAdviser.com* >> * RemedyAdvisor.com* >> * RemedyConsulting.com* >> * RemedyDeveloper.com* >> * RemedyInsider.com* >> * RemedyIntegrator.com* >> * RemedyPartner.com* >> * RemedyPros.com* >> >> Current asking price is $500 lease per year per domain of your choice, or >> $2,500 for purchase. The entire bundle is currently priced at $2,000 lease >> per year, or $9,000 for purchase. (Considering the additional >> revenue/margin you could produce using these domain names using a clever >> marketing plan, your return on investment should be in weeks, not years.) >> >> At one time we also planned to create a national Remedy User Group >> registry and quietly acquired the following "premium" .org domains: >> >> * RemedyUserGroup.org* >> * RemedyUsersGroup.org* >> >> Current asking price is $4,000 lease per year for both domains, or $19,000 >> for purchase. (Imagine the marketing power and prestige of being able to >> create a national register of local user groups! Rarely does such an >> opportunity fall in your lap.) >> >> -- Bing >> >> Bradford Bingel ("Bing") >> [email protected] (email) >> 925-260-6394 (mobile) >> >> *p.s. Apologies in advance to anyone offended by this blatantly >> capitalistic message. And if you're really offended, call and I'll describe >> the discounts and complimentary services we provide to non-profit >> organizations, and the charitable donations we give to non-profits and >> higher education each year.* >> _Platinum Sponsor: [email protected] ARSlist: "Where the Answers >> Are"_ >> _Platinum Sponsor: [email protected] ARSlist: "Where the Answers >> Are"_ >> > > _Platinum Sponsor: [email protected] ARSlist: "Where the Answers > Are"_ _Platinum Sponsor: [email protected] ARSlist: "Where the > Answers Are"_ _Platinum Sponsor: [email protected] ARSlist: "Where > the Answers Are"_ > _Platinum Sponsor: [email protected] ARSlist: "Where the Answers > Are"_ _______________________________________________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE or access ARSlist Archives at www.arslist.org Platinum Sponsor:[email protected] ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are"
