Hi Matt! Welcome to the List! It is nice to see you over here. Jason On Sep 9, 2011 7:15 AM, "Matt Laurenceau" <[email protected]> wrote: > First take on current status: > With 7.6.04, Dev Studio enforces field IDs of custom fields to NOT overlap > with BMC's reserved range. > > Follow-ups will come for the plans for the future. > archid is still a > > Cheers, Matt > > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Matt Laurenceau > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Hi. >> >> Very valuable convo indeed. >> I pinged BMC R&D, they'll interact to help on ID governance (proposed or >> enforced). >> >> Thanks, Matt >> >> http://profiles.google.com/Matt.Laurenceau< https://profiles.google.com/Matt.Laurenceau> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Andrew C Goodall <[email protected] >wrote: >> >>> It would be nice if BMC helped drive that effort! >>> >>> I like the idea of the prefix - or perhaps some other flag to denote >>> company creator. >>> >>> Can someone please explain why the default 536xxxx range is not a good >>> choice for custom fields - thanks. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Andrew Goodall >>> Software Engineer 2 | Development Services | jcpenney . www.jcp.com >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Meyer, Jennifer L >>> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 8:26 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? >>> >>> This thread is fascinating. I think this may be the forum to decide on >>> a development standard for Database IDs so when we share workflow with >>> each other, we are all using the same standard. >>> >>> Jennifer Meyer >>> Remedy Technical Support Specialist >>> State of North Carolina >>> Office of Information Technology Services >>> Service Delivery Division ITSM & ITAM Services >>> Office: 919-754-6543 >>> ITS Service Desk: 919-754-6000 >>> [email protected] >>> http://its.state.nc.us >>> >>> E-mail correspondence to and from this address may be subject to the >>> North Carolina Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties >>> only by an authorized State Official. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Reiser, John J >>> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 9:20 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? >>> >>> Joe, >>> Re. your rant about field IDs needing alphas. That would be a great >>> idea if >>> BMC could pull it off. >>> The range of ID numbers that I use a pulled from the telephone keypad. >>> TPAG forms all have ids that start 872400000 - 872499999 >>> MRBC forms 672200000 - 672299999 etc >>> When I get a prefix that would be below 536870912 (that number in burned >>> into my memory) I add 1 as the left most digit 1536870912 which is still >>> in >>> the acceptable range for developers. >>> >>> The place this has failed me is when I want to reuse a modular >>> form/workflow >>> combination and the key field ID starts 8724xxxxx and the modular part >>> is >>> looking for a field id of 6722xxxxx. >>> Makes me want to rethink it and build everything as if it will always >>> interact with other objects in the system. >>> >>> --- >>> John J. Reiser >>> Remedy Developer/Administrator >>> Senior Software Development Analyst >>> Lockheed Martin - MS2 >>> The star that burns twice as bright burns half as long. >>> Pay close attention and be illuminated by its brilliance. - paraphrased >>> by >>> me >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza >>> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:02 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? >>> >>> Yup :-) I think that was when I first learnt the use of archgid.. >>> >>> Unfortunately we found it out at a customer that didn't have a separate >>> development server.. Fortunately for them though, they had very few >>> customizations that were lost and were able to redo it within a few >>> days.. >>> And they still didn't bother to invest in a development server after >>> that.. >>> Go figure.. >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Meyer, Jennifer L >>> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 2:40 PM Newsgroups: >>> public.remedy.arsystem.general >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? >>> >>> I remember that upgrade! >>> >>> Ahh, the good old days. >>> >>> Jennifer Meyer >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza >>> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 12:20 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? >>> >>> David, >>> >>> There was one version, I think when moving from 4 to 4.5 or somewhere >>> thereabouts, where Remedy Engineering accidently used the starting >>> non-reserved range 536,xxx,xxx that messed up some customizations that >>> were >>> done using that starting non reserved field ID's. Since that time my >>> personal preference was never to use that, even if it is a trim field >>> (line, >>> >>> box, text) you are creating.. Until then I happily used that range for >>> those >>> >>> kind of fields. With the introduction of shared workflow, choosing your >>> field ID's became even more important even for some trim fields like >>> text >>> fields.. >>> >>> So my personal preference was to use the 800,xxx,xxx to 999,999,999 >>> range >>> but I see nothing wrong with starting from 600,xxx,xxx... >>> >>> Choosing this higher number deliberately, you can almost guarantee >>> yourself >>> that an accidental intrusion by BMC Softwares engineers on the >>> 536,xxx,xxx >>> in any future patches or releases will not impact your customization.. >>> There >>> >>> is hardly a chance they would use the 600,xxx,xxx to 999,999,999 range >>> deliberately.. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: David Durling >>> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 8:43 AM Newsgroups: >>> public.remedy.arsystem.general >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? >>> >>> Is starting at 600,000,000 just a convention people in the ARS community >>> >>> have chosen, or is there a real risk of running into a problem by >>> starting >>> at the 536,xxx,xxx range the system will use by default if you're >>> creating a >>> >>> new form? >>> >>> According to KA315200, a field range of 536870913 to 2147483647 can be >>> used >>> for ARS 7.1 and 7.5. >>> >>> David Durling >>> University of Georgia >>> >>> >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >>> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of White, Michael W (Mike) >>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:20 PM >>> > To: [email protected] >>> > Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? >>> > >>> > "I seem to recall that 600,000,000 to 999,999,999 is reserved for >>> custom >>> > development.". >>> > >>> > We roll our own and use that range. >>> > >>> > Mike White >>> > EMail [email protected] >>> > Office 813.978.2192 >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >>> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Logan, Kelly >>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:14 PM >>> > To: [email protected] >>> > Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? >>> > >>> > "One. . .Two. . .I think you're right. . ." >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >>> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tommy Morris >>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 12:20 PM >>> > To: [email protected] >>> > Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? >>> > >>> > Yeah, I meant 600 million. I still have trouble counting to 5 so >>> numbers >>> > larger >>> > than that stump me. :) >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >>> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Meyer, Jennifer L >>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:19 AM >>> > To: [email protected] >>> > Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? >>> > >>> > Huh. I suspect it's the number of digits in your ID that's causing >>> the >>> > issue. I >>> > seem to recall that 600,000,000 to 999,999,999 is reserved for custom >>> > development. Field IDs 599,999,999 and below are for BMC's use, but I >>> > don't >>> > recall anything about using IDs above 1,000,000,000. >>> > >>> > Jennifer Meyer >>> > Remedy Technical Support Specialist >>> > State of North Carolina >>> > Office of Information Technology Services Service Delivery Division >>> ITSM & >>> > ITAM Services >>> > Office: 919-754-6543 >>> > ITS Service Desk: 919-754-6000 >>> > [email protected] >>> > http://its.state.nc.us >>> > >>> > E-mail correspondence to and from this address may be subject to the >>> North >>> > Carolina Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties only >>> by >>> > an >>> > authorized State Official. >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >>> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Reiser, John J >>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 12:03 PM >>> > To: [email protected] >>> > Subject: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? >>> > >>> > Hello Listers, >>> > ARS 7.6.03 >>> > MS SQL Server 2005 >>> > VMWare Windows 2003 Enterprise >>> > I've been working in the Dev Studio for a while and I keep getting the >>> > following response when I create fields. >>> > "You have specified an id for the following fields which is outside >>> the >>> > BMC >>> > reserved range. Do you want to continue?" >>> > I could see a warning for creating a field inside the range of >>> reserved >>> > field ids >>> > but outside? >>> > Is there a config setting in Dev Studio to stop this message? >>> > The field ids that I use are all between 1,587,700,000 and >>> 1,587,711,199 >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > --- >>> > John J. 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