Thanks Jason for the warm welcome. Happy to see such valuable convo here (and now interacting)
Matt Laurenceau, BMC Software Senior Community Ambassador, BMC Communities Follow me at @Matt_L Skype: matt.laurenceau On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Jason Miller <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > > Hi Matt! Welcome to the List! It is nice to see you over here. > > Jason > On Sep 9, 2011 7:15 AM, "Matt Laurenceau" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > First take on current status: > > With 7.6.04, Dev Studio enforces field IDs of custom fields to NOT > overlap > > with BMC's reserved range. > > > > Follow-ups will come for the plans for the future. > > archid is still a > > > > Cheers, Matt > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Matt Laurenceau > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >> Hi. > >> > >> Very valuable convo indeed. > >> I pinged BMC R&D, they'll interact to help on ID governance (proposed or > >> enforced). > >> > >> Thanks, Matt > >> > >> http://profiles.google.com/Matt.Laurenceau< > https://profiles.google.com/Matt.Laurenceau> > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Andrew C Goodall <[email protected] > >wrote: > >> > >>> It would be nice if BMC helped drive that effort! > >>> > >>> I like the idea of the prefix - or perhaps some other flag to denote > >>> company creator. > >>> > >>> Can someone please explain why the default 536xxxx range is not a good > >>> choice for custom fields - thanks. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Andrew Goodall > >>> Software Engineer 2 | Development Services | jcpenney . www.jcp.com > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Meyer, Jennifer L > >>> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 8:26 AM > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > >>> > >>> This thread is fascinating. I think this may be the forum to decide on > >>> a development standard for Database IDs so when we share workflow with > >>> each other, we are all using the same standard. > >>> > >>> Jennifer Meyer > >>> Remedy Technical Support Specialist > >>> State of North Carolina > >>> Office of Information Technology Services > >>> Service Delivery Division ITSM & ITAM Services > >>> Office: 919-754-6543 > >>> ITS Service Desk: 919-754-6000 > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://its.state.nc.us > >>> > >>> E-mail correspondence to and from this address may be subject to the > >>> North Carolina Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties > >>> only by an authorized State Official. > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Reiser, John J > >>> Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 9:20 AM > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > >>> > >>> Joe, > >>> Re. your rant about field IDs needing alphas. That would be a great > >>> idea if > >>> BMC could pull it off. > >>> The range of ID numbers that I use a pulled from the telephone keypad. > >>> TPAG forms all have ids that start 872400000 - 872499999 > >>> MRBC forms 672200000 - 672299999 etc > >>> When I get a prefix that would be below 536870912 (that number in > burned > >>> into my memory) I add 1 as the left most digit 1536870912 which is > still > >>> in > >>> the acceptable range for developers. > >>> > >>> The place this has failed me is when I want to reuse a modular > >>> form/workflow > >>> combination and the key field ID starts 8724xxxxx and the modular part > >>> is > >>> looking for a field id of 6722xxxxx. > >>> Makes me want to rethink it and build everything as if it will always > >>> interact with other objects in the system. > >>> > >>> --- > >>> John J. Reiser > >>> Remedy Developer/Administrator > >>> Senior Software Development Analyst > >>> Lockheed Martin - MS2 > >>> The star that burns twice as bright burns half as long. > >>> Pay close attention and be illuminated by its brilliance. - paraphrased > >>> by > >>> me > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza > >>> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:02 PM > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > >>> > >>> Yup :-) I think that was when I first learnt the use of archgid.. > >>> > >>> Unfortunately we found it out at a customer that didn't have a separate > >>> development server.. Fortunately for them though, they had very few > >>> customizations that were lost and were able to redo it within a few > >>> days.. > >>> And they still didn't bother to invest in a development server after > >>> that.. > >>> Go figure.. > >>> > >>> Joe > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Meyer, Jennifer L > >>> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 2:40 PM Newsgroups: > >>> public.remedy.arsystem.general > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > >>> > >>> I remember that upgrade! > >>> > >>> Ahh, the good old days. > >>> > >>> Jennifer Meyer > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza > >>> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 12:20 PM > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > >>> > >>> David, > >>> > >>> There was one version, I think when moving from 4 to 4.5 or somewhere > >>> thereabouts, where Remedy Engineering accidently used the starting > >>> non-reserved range 536,xxx,xxx that messed up some customizations that > >>> were > >>> done using that starting non reserved field ID's. Since that time my > >>> personal preference was never to use that, even if it is a trim field > >>> (line, > >>> > >>> box, text) you are creating.. Until then I happily used that range for > >>> those > >>> > >>> kind of fields. With the introduction of shared workflow, choosing your > >>> field ID's became even more important even for some trim fields like > >>> text > >>> fields.. > >>> > >>> So my personal preference was to use the 800,xxx,xxx to 999,999,999 > >>> range > >>> but I see nothing wrong with starting from 600,xxx,xxx... > >>> > >>> Choosing this higher number deliberately, you can almost guarantee > >>> yourself > >>> that an accidental intrusion by BMC Softwares engineers on the > >>> 536,xxx,xxx > >>> in any future patches or releases will not impact your customization.. > >>> There > >>> > >>> is hardly a chance they would use the 600,xxx,xxx to 999,999,999 range > >>> deliberately.. > >>> > >>> Cheers > >>> > >>> Joe > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: David Durling > >>> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 8:43 AM Newsgroups: > >>> public.remedy.arsystem.general > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > >>> > >>> Is starting at 600,000,000 just a convention people in the ARS > community > >>> > >>> have chosen, or is there a real risk of running into a problem by > >>> starting > >>> at the 536,xxx,xxx range the system will use by default if you're > >>> creating a > >>> > >>> new form? > >>> > >>> According to KA315200, a field range of 536870913 to 2147483647 can be > >>> used > >>> for ARS 7.1 and 7.5. > >>> > >>> David Durling > >>> University of Georgia > >>> > >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- > >>> > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > >>> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of White, Michael W (Mike) > >>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:20 PM > >>> > To: [email protected] > >>> > Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > >>> > > >>> > "I seem to recall that 600,000,000 to 999,999,999 is reserved for > >>> custom > >>> > development.". > >>> > > >>> > We roll our own and use that range. > >>> > > >>> > Mike White > >>> > EMail [email protected] > >>> > Office 813.978.2192 > >>> > > >>> > -----Original Message----- > >>> > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > >>> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Logan, Kelly > >>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:14 PM > >>> > To: [email protected] > >>> > Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > >>> > > >>> > "One. . .Two. . .I think you're right. . ." > >>> > > >>> > -----Original Message----- > >>> > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > >>> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tommy Morris > >>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 12:20 PM > >>> > To: [email protected] > >>> > Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > >>> > > >>> > Yeah, I meant 600 million. I still have trouble counting to 5 so > >>> numbers > >>> > larger > >>> > than that stump me. :) > >>> > > >>> > -----Original Message----- > >>> > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > >>> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Meyer, Jennifer L > >>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:19 AM > >>> > To: [email protected] > >>> > Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > >>> > > >>> > Huh. I suspect it's the number of digits in your ID that's causing > >>> the > >>> > issue. I > >>> > seem to recall that 600,000,000 to 999,999,999 is reserved for custom > >>> > development. Field IDs 599,999,999 and below are for BMC's use, but I > >>> > don't > >>> > recall anything about using IDs above 1,000,000,000. > >>> > > >>> > Jennifer Meyer > >>> > Remedy Technical Support Specialist > >>> > State of North Carolina > >>> > Office of Information Technology Services Service Delivery Division > >>> ITSM & > >>> > ITAM Services > >>> > Office: 919-754-6543 > >>> > ITS Service Desk: 919-754-6000 > >>> > [email protected] > >>> > http://its.state.nc.us > >>> > > >>> > E-mail correspondence to and from this address may be subject to the > >>> North > >>> > Carolina Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties > only > >>> by > >>> > an > >>> > authorized State Official. > >>> > > >>> > -----Original Message----- > >>> > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > >>> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Reiser, John J > >>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 12:03 PM > >>> > To: [email protected] > >>> > Subject: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > >>> > > >>> > Hello Listers, > >>> > ARS 7.6.03 > >>> > MS SQL Server 2005 > >>> > VMWare Windows 2003 Enterprise > >>> > I've been working in the Dev Studio for a while and I keep getting > the > >>> > following response when I create fields. > >>> > "You have specified an id for the following fields which is outside > >>> the > >>> > BMC > >>> > reserved range. Do you want to continue?" > >>> > I could see a warning for creating a field inside the range of > >>> reserved > >>> > field ids > >>> > but outside? > >>> > Is there a config setting in Dev Studio to stop this message? > >>> > The field ids that I use are all between 1,587,700,000 and > >>> 1,587,711,199 > >>> > > >>> > Thanks, > >>> > --- > >>> > John J. 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