Another good reason for having some form of standard or convention. I have a few defs that are "plug and play". I use some of these tools wherever I go. Kind of like a "traditional" developer might have functions or routines they develop over time. Some are admin tools and some are things like a shared attachment form, shared audit (work info) form, etc. You just need to add a few fields here and there and update some workflow.
If we had consistent guidelines it would make it just that much easier. Wouldn't it be cool to have more "plug and play" (best practice/standard) apps available on the BMCDN? Jason On Sep 9, 2011 8:19 AM, "Meyer, Jennifer L" <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks, Matt. :) > > I've worked Remedy at more than a dozen companies, and we have to re-invent the wheel every time. If we can establish a best practice, that's one less headache for future development. > > If BMC will be involved in development of the BP or promoting it, we can all benefit by sharing code. > > Jennifer Meyer > Remedy Technical Support Specialist > State of North Carolina > Office of Information Technology Services > Service Delivery Division ITSM & ITAM Services > Office: 919-754-6543 > ITS Service Desk: 919-754-6000 > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > http://its.state.nc.us<http://its.state.nc.us/> > > E-mail correspondence to and from this address may be subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties only by an authorized State Official. > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt Laurenceau > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 11:04 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > > ** Jennifer, you've got a very valid point. > R&D now protects BMC range (with 7.6.04) to avoid major issues. > Reserving ID ranges for every developer/company/region/country is for sure quite tricky, and I like the proposals :) > > I have pinged bright minds at R&D to weigh in. > > Thanks for your engagement, > > Matt Laurenceau, BMC Software > Senior Community Ambassador, BMC Communities > Follow me at @Matt_L > Skype: matt.laurenceau > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Meyer, Jennifer L <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > ** > Thanks for talking with BMC, Matt. Personally, I don't think a development standard needs to be enforced at this time, but I think having BMC involved in the discussion would be valuable in establishing Database ID development best practices. > > Jennifer Meyer > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Matt Laurenceau > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 10:15 AM > > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > > ** First take on current status: > With 7.6.04, Dev Studio enforces field IDs of custom fields to NOT overlap with BMC's reserved range. > Follow-ups will come for the plans for the future. > archid is still a > > Cheers, Matt > > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Matt Laurenceau <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Hi. > > Very valuable convo indeed. > I pinged BMC R&D, they'll interact to help on ID governance (proposed or enforced). > > Thanks, Matt > http://profiles.google.com/Matt.Laurenceau< https://profiles.google.com/Matt.Laurenceau> > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Andrew C Goodall <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > It would be nice if BMC helped drive that effort! > > I like the idea of the prefix - or perhaps some other flag to denote > company creator. > > Can someone please explain why the default 536xxxx range is not a good > choice for custom fields - thanks. > > Regards, > > Andrew Goodall > Software Engineer 2 | Development Services | jcpenney . www.jcp.com< http://www.jcp.com> > > -----Original Message----- > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Meyer, Jennifer L > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 8:26 AM > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > > This thread is fascinating. I think this may be the forum to decide on > a development standard for Database IDs so when we share workflow with > each other, we are all using the same standard. > > Jennifer Meyer > Remedy Technical Support Specialist > State of North Carolina > Office of Information Technology Services > Service Delivery Division ITSM & ITAM Services > Office: 919-754-6543<tel:919-754-6543> > ITS Service Desk: 919-754-6000<tel:919-754-6000> > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > http://its.state.nc.us > > E-mail correspondence to and from this address may be subject to the > North Carolina Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties > only by an authorized State Official. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Reiser, John J > Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 9:20 AM > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > > Joe, > Re. your rant about field IDs needing alphas. That would be a great > idea if > BMC could pull it off. > The range of ID numbers that I use a pulled from the telephone keypad. > TPAG forms all have ids that start 872400000 - 872499999 > MRBC forms 672200000 - 672299999 etc > When I get a prefix that would be below 536870912 (that number in burned > into my memory) I add 1 as the left most digit 1536870912 which is still > in > the acceptable range for developers. > > The place this has failed me is when I want to reuse a modular > form/workflow > combination and the key field ID starts 8724xxxxx and the modular part > is > looking for a field id of 6722xxxxx. > Makes me want to rethink it and build everything as if it will always > interact with other objects in the system. > > --- > John J. Reiser > Remedy Developer/Administrator > Senior Software Development Analyst > Lockheed Martin - MS2 > The star that burns twice as bright burns half as long. > Pay close attention and be illuminated by its brilliance. - paraphrased > by > me > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza > Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:02 PM > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > > Yup :-) I think that was when I first learnt the use of archgid.. > > Unfortunately we found it out at a customer that didn't have a separate > development server.. Fortunately for them though, they had very few > customizations that were lost and were able to redo it within a few > days.. > And they still didn't bother to invest in a development server after > that.. > Go figure.. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: Meyer, Jennifer L > Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 2:40 PM Newsgroups: > public.remedy.arsystem.general > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > > I remember that upgrade! > > Ahh, the good old days. > > Jennifer Meyer > > -----Original Message----- > From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) > [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Joe Martin D'Souza > Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 12:20 PM > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > > David, > > There was one version, I think when moving from 4 to 4.5 or somewhere > thereabouts, where Remedy Engineering accidently used the starting > non-reserved range 536,xxx,xxx that messed up some customizations that > were > done using that starting non reserved field ID's. Since that time my > personal preference was never to use that, even if it is a trim field > (line, > > box, text) you are creating.. Until then I happily used that range for > those > > kind of fields. With the introduction of shared workflow, choosing your > field ID's became even more important even for some trim fields like > text > fields.. > > So my personal preference was to use the 800,xxx,xxx to 999,999,999 > range > but I see nothing wrong with starting from 600,xxx,xxx... > > Choosing this higher number deliberately, you can almost guarantee > yourself > that an accidental intrusion by BMC Softwares engineers on the > 536,xxx,xxx > in any future patches or releases will not impact your customization.. > There > > is hardly a chance they would use the 600,xxx,xxx to 999,999,999 range > deliberately.. > > Cheers > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: David Durling > Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 8:43 AM Newsgroups: > public.remedy.arsystem.general > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? > > Is starting at 600,000,000 just a convention people in the ARS community > > have chosen, or is there a real risk of running into a problem by > starting > at the 536,xxx,xxx range the system will use by default if you're > creating a > > new form? > > According to KA315200, a field range of 536870913 to 2147483647<tel: 2147483647> can be > used > for ARS 7.1 and 7.5. > > David Durling > University of Georgia > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of White, Michael W (Mike) >> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:20 PM >> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? >> >> "I seem to recall that 600,000,000 to 999,999,999 is reserved for > custom >> development.". >> >> We roll our own and use that range. >> >> Mike White >> EMail [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> Office 813.978.2192<tel:813.978.2192> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Logan, Kelly >> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:14 PM >> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? >> >> "One. . .Two. . .I think you're right. . ." >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Tommy Morris >> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 12:20 PM >> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? >> >> Yeah, I meant 600 million. I still have trouble counting to 5 so > numbers >> larger >> than that stump me. :) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Meyer, Jennifer L >> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:19 AM >> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? >> >> Huh. I suspect it's the number of digits in your ID that's causing > the >> issue. I >> seem to recall that 600,000,000 to 999,999,999 is reserved for custom >> development. Field IDs 599,999,999 and below are for BMC's use, but I >> don't >> recall anything about using IDs above 1,000,000,000. >> >> Jennifer Meyer >> Remedy Technical Support Specialist >> State of North Carolina >> Office of Information Technology Services Service Delivery Division > ITSM & >> ITAM Services >> Office: 919-754-6543<tel:919-754-6543> >> ITS Service Desk: 919-754-6000<tel:919-754-6000> >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> http://its.state.nc.us >> >> E-mail correspondence to and from this address may be subject to the > North >> Carolina Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties only > by >> an >> authorized State Official. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Reiser, John J >> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 12:03 PM >> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: "Outside of Reserved Range" warning? >> >> Hello Listers, >> ARS 7.6.03 >> MS SQL Server 2005 >> VMWare Windows 2003 Enterprise >> I've been working in the Dev Studio for a while and I keep getting the >> following response when I create fields. >> "You have specified an id for the following fields which is outside > the >> BMC >> reserved range. Do you want to continue?" >> I could see a warning for creating a field inside the range of > reserved >> field ids >> but outside? >> Is there a config setting in Dev Studio to stop this message? >> The field ids that I use are all between 1,587,700,000 and > 1,587,711,199 >> >> Thanks, >> --- >> John J. 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