Jason, I think with FTE, it really has a lot of factors that play into it. I'm sure there are others but right off the bat, I can think of location, size of the company, size of the environment, and size of the team. So with that said, I think for the NY metro area, for a company with 6-10k employees, 3-4 environments, and 2 developers with 1 sr. guy would be: 90-100k with benefits for the 2 devs. 110-140 for the senior or architect. Just my opinion considering economy as well. I always hope it's more than that though. When I was an FTE, I was getting a salary that was waaaay lower than the dev rate I mentioned. This was because you fall into a pay scale determined by HR when you first join. The longer you stay as an FTE, the less you make compared to market.
Sent from my iPhone On Aug 18, 2012, at 2:56 AM, Jason Miller <[email protected]> wrote: ** What about rates for full time permanent employees? It looks like most of the rates discussed are for consulting type gigs. I am curious what people think the rate for a FTE working for the same company day in day out. Jason On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Ken Pritchard <[email protected]> wrote: > I doubt the BMC folks that actually do the work get 110-115 per hour. > There may be a few top notch individuals that can garner that type of > salary, but I'd guess that most Remedy Dev/Admiins are earning about a > third or so of that. Based on the conversations I've had with several > recruiters recently (many of which post their openings on this list) folks > are lucky right now to get half that amount. I'm not suggesting I'm as > talented as most on this board, but speaking as an average person the rates > below don't sound very realistic. > > Rather than a couple top level developers putting out the info, maybe we > could hear from some of the recruiters that are reading this regarding the > rates they are seeing. > > > ----- Original Message -----From: "Joe Martin D'Souza" <[email protected]> > Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 4:13 PM > > Subject: Re: 6-8 project - Remote > > > I agree with Ray that this may not be a 'technical' topic but its not off >> topic either (unless off course Dan disagrees :-) ) >> >> Its healthy for us to get a feel of what the current market rates are. I >> know it all depends on experience and all that good stuff too.. But in this >> changing market times, its very easy to get short changed if we do not have >> room for discussing such things openly.. >> >> In my experience on this topic I think a good healthy rate these days is >> about of 110 - 115.. - pad in local travel and expenses and that computes >> to about 125 - 130.. >> >> 110 - 115 + T&E when there is commute involved would be a good rate for >> remote projects. >> >> I know BMC charges about 250/hr if its consultants are sent on site.. Any >> idea of what they charge if the project would require only offsite resource? >> >> Joe >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Ray Palla >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 12:54 PM Newsgroups: >> public.remedy.arsystem.general >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: 6-8 project - Remote >> >> Actually Pritch; >> >> The "On-Behalf of" post had this: Petrie-Smith, Emma >> [[email protected]] >> >> After contacting her directly (off-the-list) and understanding her >> position, I gave her the same response that I then posted on the list. Just >> my 2-cents. I believe these things should be openly discussed in the >> ARSlist. After all, rates and supply/demand are very relevant for all of us. >> >> You might do it for $50, but there are a lot of listers who just don't >> have to. That said, I'm trying to help recruiters understand the current >> market and what it takes to get the best guy for the job. In the case of >> KS, I wouldn't recommend to them that they try to fix a late running >> project with anything other than a senior guy. We are talking 7.6.04 here. >> >> R >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of pritch >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 11:17 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: 6-8 project - Remote >> >> Youd probably get several folks willing to do the $50 per hour for a >> remote gig, but you'd need to have another way to contact the requester. >> They didn't put an alternate contact on the initial email and most folks >> are aware to not respond to this type of item directly on the ARSlist. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ray Palla" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 12:03:03 PM >> Subject: Re: 6-8 project - Remote >> >> ** >> You're right Tauf; >> >> Also, this is a mostly remote gig. That is a huge plus! I would quote >> $97.50/hr + T&E on this one and happily go there for a few short weeks. >> >> R >> >> >> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tauf Chowdhury >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 10:55 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: 6-8 project - Remote >> >> >> ** Ray I almost totally agree with you except for that Overland Park and >> Kansas City, MO in general is a really nice place... especially the Country >> Club Plaza area. Compared to St. Louis, it's night and day. If any of you >> have a chance, don't say no just because it's Kansas. It's really a cool >> place... this coming from a native and current New Yorker :) >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Ray Palla < [email protected] > >> wrote: >> >> >> ** >> >> TEKsystems is usually more aware the market than this. >> >> Although, customer expectation is sometimes hard to set, externally... >> This customer needs to know that the current market for long-term projects >> is over $110/hr + T&E... BMC charges $250/hr. A short term like this one >> will be much more difficult to find a placement, in terms of being >> competitive. The Remedy market is currently at a premium and there are many >> more 'exciting' cities to cherry-pick from. >> >> R >> >> >> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: >> [email protected] ] On Behalf Of Petrie-Smith, Emma >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 10:38 AM >> >> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: 6-8 project - Remote >> >> >> >> >> ** >> >> >> I agree, it seems like backwards logic. Trust me, I’d like to create more >> funding and pay more. It’d make my job much easier J >> >> >> >> Thanks for reaching out. >> >> >> >> Emma >> >> >> >> >> >> Emma Petrie-Smith RECRUITER >> 7285 W. 132ND ST., STE. 140 OVERLAND PARK, KS 66213 >> O (800) 318-2074 ? T (913) 664-0105 >> F (913) 338-2435 >> >> >> http://www.teksystems.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: >> [email protected] ] On Behalf Of Tauf Chowdhury >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 10:36 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: 6-8 project - Remote >> >> >> >> ** Don't take this personally but I always find that an interesting >> comment: >> "It's a low rate because that's all we can afford, but we REALLY need this >> done by this date." >> Thanks for the clarification! >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Petrie-Smith, Emma < >> [email protected] > wrote: >> >> ** >> >> >> >> Hi Tauf, >> >> >> >> It is partially, and they are funding this position with the leftover >> funding allocated to this project. It’s lower than the normal rate, but >> it’s >> the best our client can do. They are in a crunch to reach their deadline. >> >> >> >> And I didn’t realize I had responded to the entire Arslist earlier. I >> meant >> to respond to just that one person. Whoops! And it is an additional >> resource, not a replacement. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Emma >> >> >> >> >> >> Emma Petrie-Smith RECRUITER >> 7285 W. 132ND ST., STE. 140 OVERLAND PARK, KS 66213 >> O (800) 318-2074 ? T (913) 664-0105 >> F (913) 338-2435 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: >> [email protected] ] On Behalf Of Tauf Chowdhury >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 10:22 AM >> >> >> >> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: 6-8 project - Remote >> >> >> >> >> >> ** >> >> >> 50/hr sounds very weak. Is that because it's in Kansas? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> On Aug 17, 2012, at 11:19 AM, "Goodall, Andrew C" < [email protected] > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> ** >> >> Hopefully it is in addition not a replacement :S >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> >> >> Andrew C. Goodall >> >> Software Engineer >> >> Development Services >> >> [email protected] >> >> jcpenney >> >> 6501 Legacy Drive >> >> Plano, TX 75024 >> >> jcp.com >> >> >> >> >> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: >> [email protected] ] On Behalf Of Tauf Chowdhury >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 10:17 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: 6-8 project - Remote >> >> >> >> ** >> >> >> Aye aye aye... >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> On Aug 17, 2012, at 11:15 AM, "Petrie-Smith, Emma" < >> [email protected] >> >>> wrote: >>> >> >> >> >> >> ** >> >> Hi Alan, >> >> >> >> It is the same project you are working on for Sprint. J >> >> >> >> Emma >> >> >> >> >> >> Emma Petrie-Smith RECRUITER >> 7285 W. 132ND ST., STE. 140 OVERLAND PARK, KS 66213 >> O (800) 318-2074 ? T (913) 664-0105 >> F (913) 338-2435 >> >> >> <image001.gif> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: >> [email protected] ] On Behalf Of Alan Truelove >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 10:02 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: 6-8 project - Remote >> >> >> >> ** >> >> >> >> Yes v interested.... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Emma Petrie-Smith < [email protected] > >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 10:45 AM >> Subject: 6-8 project - Remote >> >> >> Good morning, >> >> We are currently looking for a Remedy developer for a 6-8 week contract >> with >> our client in Overland Park, KS (Kansas City metro area.) Our client >> would >> need to have someone on site for a brief initial period, but would allow >> remote work after the selected candidate is onboarded. 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