Thanks for the info. Understanding there are more factors for an FTE I just threw this out see what people thought. I also imagine many FTE people cannot openly state their rate/range because other employees will either laugh at them or have an issue with the amount.
Jason On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 3:37 AM, Tauf Chowdhury <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > Jason, > I think with FTE, it really has a lot of factors that play into it. I'm > sure there are others but right off the bat, I can think of location, size > of the company, size of the environment, and size of the team. > So with that said, I think for the NY metro area, for a company with 6-10k > employees, 3-4 environments, and 2 developers with 1 sr. guy would be: > 90-100k with benefits for the 2 devs. > 110-140 for the senior or architect. > Just my opinion considering economy as well. > I always hope it's more than that though. When I was an FTE, I was getting > a salary that was waaaay lower than the dev rate I mentioned. This was > because you fall into a pay scale determined by HR when you first join. The > longer you stay as an FTE, the less you make compared to market. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 18, 2012, at 2:56 AM, Jason Miller <[email protected]> wrote: > > ** What about rates for full time permanent employees? It looks like most > of the rates discussed are for consulting type gigs. I am curious what > people think the rate for a FTE working for the same company day in day out. > > Jason > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Ken Pritchard <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I doubt the BMC folks that actually do the work get 110-115 per hour. >> There may be a few top notch individuals that can garner that type of >> salary, but I'd guess that most Remedy Dev/Admiins are earning about a >> third or so of that. Based on the conversations I've had with several >> recruiters recently (many of which post their openings on this list) folks >> are lucky right now to get half that amount. I'm not suggesting I'm as >> talented as most on this board, but speaking as an average person the rates >> below don't sound very realistic. >> >> Rather than a couple top level developers putting out the info, maybe we >> could hear from some of the recruiters that are reading this regarding the >> rates they are seeing. >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----From: "Joe Martin D'Souza" <[email protected] >> > >> Newsgroups: public.remedy.arsystem.general >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 4:13 PM >> >> Subject: Re: 6-8 project - Remote >> >> >> I agree with Ray that this may not be a 'technical' topic but its not >>> off topic either (unless off course Dan disagrees :-) ) >>> >>> Its healthy for us to get a feel of what the current market rates are. I >>> know it all depends on experience and all that good stuff too.. But in this >>> changing market times, its very easy to get short changed if we do not have >>> room for discussing such things openly.. >>> >>> In my experience on this topic I think a good healthy rate these days is >>> about of 110 - 115.. - pad in local travel and expenses and that computes >>> to about 125 - 130.. >>> >>> 110 - 115 + T&E when there is commute involved would be a good rate for >>> remote projects. >>> >>> I know BMC charges about 250/hr if its consultants are sent on site.. >>> Any idea of what they charge if the project would require only offsite >>> resource? >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Ray Palla >>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 12:54 PM Newsgroups: >>> public.remedy.arsystem.general >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: 6-8 project - Remote >>> >>> Actually Pritch; >>> >>> The "On-Behalf of" post had this: Petrie-Smith, Emma >>> [[email protected]] >>> >>> After contacting her directly (off-the-list) and understanding her >>> position, I gave her the same response that I then posted on the list. Just >>> my 2-cents. I believe these things should be openly discussed in the >>> ARSlist. After all, rates and supply/demand are very relevant for all of us. >>> >>> You might do it for $50, but there are a lot of listers who just don't >>> have to. That said, I'm trying to help recruiters understand the current >>> market and what it takes to get the best guy for the job. In the case of >>> KS, I wouldn't recommend to them that they try to fix a late running >>> project with anything other than a senior guy. We are talking 7.6.04 here. >>> >>> R >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of pritch >>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 11:17 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: 6-8 project - Remote >>> >>> Youd probably get several folks willing to do the $50 per hour for a >>> remote gig, but you'd need to have another way to contact the requester. >>> They didn't put an alternate contact on the initial email and most folks >>> are aware to not respond to this type of item directly on the ARSlist. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Ray Palla" <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 12:03:03 PM >>> Subject: Re: 6-8 project - Remote >>> >>> ** >>> You're right Tauf; >>> >>> Also, this is a mostly remote gig. That is a huge plus! I would quote >>> $97.50/hr + T&E on this one and happily go there for a few short weeks. >>> >>> R >>> >>> >>> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tauf Chowdhury >>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 10:55 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: 6-8 project - Remote >>> >>> >>> ** Ray I almost totally agree with you except for that Overland Park and >>> Kansas City, MO in general is a really nice place... especially the Country >>> Club Plaza area. Compared to St. Louis, it's night and day. If any of you >>> have a chance, don't say no just because it's Kansas. It's really a cool >>> place... this coming from a native and current New Yorker :) >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Ray Palla < [email protected] > >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> ** >>> >>> TEKsystems is usually more aware the market than this. >>> >>> Although, customer expectation is sometimes hard to set, externally... >>> This customer needs to know that the current market for long-term projects >>> is over $110/hr + T&E... BMC charges $250/hr. A short term like this one >>> will be much more difficult to find a placement, in terms of being >>> competitive. The Remedy market is currently at a premium and there are many >>> more 'exciting' cities to cherry-pick from. >>> >>> R >>> >>> >>> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: >>> [email protected] ] On Behalf Of Petrie-Smith, Emma >>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 10:38 AM >>> >>> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: 6-8 project - Remote >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ** >>> >>> >>> I agree, it seems like backwards logic. Trust me, I’d like to create more >>> funding and pay more. It’d make my job much easier J >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks for reaching out. >>> >>> >>> >>> Emma >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Emma Petrie-Smith RECRUITER >>> 7285 W. 132ND ST., STE. 140 OVERLAND PARK, KS 66213 >>> O (800) 318-2074 ? T (913) 664-0105 >>> F (913) 338-2435 >>> >>> >>> http://www.teksystems.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: >>> [email protected] ] On Behalf Of Tauf Chowdhury >>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 10:36 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: 6-8 project - Remote >>> >>> >>> >>> ** Don't take this personally but I always find that an interesting >>> comment: >>> "It's a low rate because that's all we can afford, but we REALLY need >>> this >>> done by this date." >>> Thanks for the clarification! >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Petrie-Smith, Emma < >>> [email protected] > wrote: >>> >>> ** >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Tauf, >>> >>> >>> >>> It is partially, and they are funding this position with the leftover >>> funding allocated to this project. It’s lower than the normal rate, but >>> it’s >>> the best our client can do. They are in a crunch to reach their deadline. >>> >>> >>> >>> And I didn’t realize I had responded to the entire Arslist earlier. I >>> meant >>> to respond to just that one person. Whoops! And it is an additional >>> resource, not a replacement. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> Emma >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Emma Petrie-Smith RECRUITER >>> 7285 W. 132ND ST., STE. 140 OVERLAND PARK, KS 66213 >>> O (800) 318-2074 ? T (913) 664-0105 >>> F (913) 338-2435 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: >>> [email protected] ] On Behalf Of Tauf Chowdhury >>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 10:22 AM >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: 6-8 project - Remote >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ** >>> >>> >>> 50/hr sounds very weak. Is that because it's in Kansas? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 17, 2012, at 11:19 AM, "Goodall, Andrew C" < [email protected] > >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ** >>> >>> Hopefully it is in addition not a replacement :S >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> >>> >>> Andrew C. Goodall >>> >>> Software Engineer >>> >>> Development Services >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> jcpenney >>> >>> 6501 Legacy Drive >>> >>> Plano, TX 75024 >>> >>> jcp.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: >>> [email protected] ] On Behalf Of Tauf Chowdhury >>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 10:17 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: 6-8 project - Remote >>> >>> >>> >>> ** >>> >>> >>> Aye aye aye... >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 17, 2012, at 11:15 AM, "Petrie-Smith, Emma" < >>> [email protected] >>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ** >>> >>> Hi Alan, >>> >>> >>> >>> It is the same project you are working on for Sprint. J >>> >>> >>> >>> Emma >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Emma Petrie-Smith RECRUITER >>> 7285 W. 132ND ST., STE. 140 OVERLAND PARK, KS 66213 >>> O (800) 318-2074 ? T (913) 664-0105 >>> F (913) 338-2435 >>> >>> >>> <image001.gif> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: >>> [email protected] ] On Behalf Of Alan Truelove >>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 10:02 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: 6-8 project - Remote >>> >>> >>> >>> ** >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes v interested.... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Emma Petrie-Smith < [email protected] > >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 10:45 AM >>> Subject: 6-8 project - Remote >>> >>> >>> Good morning, >>> >>> We are currently looking for a Remedy developer for a 6-8 week contract >>> with >>> our client in Overland Park, KS (Kansas City metro area.) Our client >>> would >>> need to have someone on site for a brief initial period, but would allow >>> remote work after the selected candidate is onboarded. 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