Ran some tests... I verified this is an issue with forms created as Custom in Best Practice mode and Dev Studio 8.0 and 8.1. I think it has something to do with not being able to overlay the view of a Custom form.
Scenario 1 AR System 7.6.04 SP4 1. Created Regular form in *Base mode with DS 7.6.04 SP4* 2. Created tabbed Panel Holder (PH) with two panels 3. Created Attachment Pool (AP) with one Attachment Field (AF) outside of the PH 4. Dragged AP to first panel (p1) on PH 5. Dragged AP to second panel (p2) on PH 6. *Switched to DS 8.0 in Best Practice mode* 7. Created Form and View overlay 8. Dragged AP off of p2 9. Dragged AP to p1 10. Wanted to try Move Field To but is not option with AP 11. *Switched to DS 7.6.04 in Base mode* 12. Move Field To is still not an option When I started this scenario I thought this machine was 8.1 but didn't very until the end. Scenario 2 is with 8.1 to since that is the 8.x version in question. Scenario 2 AR System 7.6.04 SP4 1. Using *7.6.04 SP4* deleted overly from scenario 1 returning form to state after steps 1 - 5 2. *Switched to DS 8.1 in Best Practice mode* 3. Created Form and View overlay 4. Dragged AP off of p2 5. Dragged AP to p1 6. Wanted to try Move Field To but is not option with AP 7. *Switched to DS 7.6.04 in Base mode* 8. Move Field To is still not an option Scenario 3 AR System 7.6.04 SP4 1. Created Regular form in *Best Practice mode with DS 7.6.04 SP4* 2. Created tabbed Panel Holder (PH) with two panels 3. Created Attachment Pool (AP) with one Attachment Field (AF) outside of the PH 4. Dragged AP to first panel (p1) on PH 5. Dragged AP to second panel (p2) on PH 6. *Switched to DS 8.1 in Best Practice mode* 7. *Cannot drag AP off p2* 8. Duplicate View 9. Remove AP and AF from original default view 10. Add AP and AF back to original default view, field goes back to p2 11. *Switched to DS 8.0 in Best Practice mode* 12. *Cannot drag AP off p2* 13. *Switched to DS 8.1 in Best Practice mode* 14. Converted form to Base 15. *Cannot drag AP off p2* 16. Converted form to Custom 17. *Cannot drag AP off p2* 18. Switch to *Best Practice mode with DS 7.6.04 SP4* 19. *Dragged AP from p2* 20. *Switched to DS 8.1 in Best Practice mode* 21. Converted form to Base 22. Created Overlay 23. *Cannot drag AP to p2* 24. *Created View Overlay* 25. *Can drag AP to p2 * On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Jason Miller <[email protected]>wrote: > I would like for you to take that out of the equation too :) > > Have you tried removing the field from the view and adding it back? I am > wondering if that will give you the ability to place it elsewhere before > saving it in the view. > > I just thought about it. We have Dev Studio 7.6.04 on the app our 7.6.04 > servers so I can try it out. > > Jason > > > On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Shellman, David <[email protected]>wrote: > >> ** >> >> When something doesn’t work right on a complicated form I create simple >> forms so I can take some of the complexity out of the equation.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> If you’re on 7.6.04 (server and dev studio) give it a quick test. That >> would at least take the question of 8.1 Dev Studio against a 7.6.04 server >> out of the equation.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Only created the ticket with Support about 3 hours ago. I haven’t heard >> back from them yet. I will keep folks posted with what I learn.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Thanks**** >> >> Dave**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Joe D'Souza >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:33 PM >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** **** >> >> I thought you might have exhausted all possibilities.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> This must be some sort of a bug then. I wish I had a 8.x system to try it >> out on but I do not. Keep us updated on what you find out.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> What does BMC Support have to say about it?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Joe**** >> >> ** ** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ >> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Shellman, >> David >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:19 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Joe,**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Doesn’t matter if it’s a form that was created in Base Mode and upgraded >> to Custom or a form created in Best Practice Mode. There is not an option >> to move an Attachment field to a Tab.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I’ve been creating simple forms in various modes to test various >> combinations.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Dave**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ >> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Joe >> D'Souza >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:15 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** **** >> >> I must have missed that somewhere that it’s a custom form.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Even if it is a custom form or object, (non OOTB), but if it was >> accidentally created from the base mode, it cannot be modified from the >> Best Practice mode, without creating an overlay.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> So if you or some other developer did use the base mode at some point, >> to create either that panel or the attachment field in a base mode, you >> will experience what you are right now.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Joe**** >> >> ** ** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ >> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Shellman, >> David >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:11 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Correct this is custom forms and workflow.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I understand the functionality of Overlays when using OOTB code and forms. >> **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Dave**** >> >> ** ** >> >> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ >> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Longwing, >> Lj >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:08 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** **** >> >> Joe,**** >> >> Dave can answer definitively on this, but I got the impression that he is >> dealing with non OOTB code...which in that case, should be custom, not base >> with an overlay...but I may be mistaken**** >> >> ** ** >> >> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Joe D'Souza <[email protected]> wrote:* >> *** >> >> ** **** >> >> Overlays was one of the first thing I wanted to ask when I read your >> original email but thought I’d wade through the list in case someone >> already pointed that out..**** >> >> **** >> >> You mentioned you want to stay away from overlays. Any specific reasons >> why?**** >> >> **** >> >> Personally I feel it’s a great tool, and not using it might eventually >> get you to a spot where it might be very hard for you to reconcile your >> system to a state where they are actually useful, in case you’ll >> eventually do decide to use overlays.**** >> >> **** >> >> I see only pros to leveraging the use of overlays, the only con being >> they can be a pain in the rear sometimes (especially with the 7.6.04 >> version) with some of the ‘extra’ steps you need to do in order to even >> implement a small change. But those steps are worth the few extra seconds / >> minutes you spend on them I think.**** >> >> **** >> >> Joe**** >> >> **** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Shellman, David >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:41 PM**** >> >> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field**** >> >> **** >> >> Dale,**** >> >> **** >> >> LJ also noted he reproduced the issue with 8.1 Dev Studio against an 8.1 >> server.**** >> >> **** >> >> Dave**** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [mailto: >> [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Dale Jones >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2013 1:00 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field**** >> >> **** >> >> ** **** >> >> David, >> >> Did you create an overlay for view, each Attachment field , Attachment >> Pool, the destination Page and Tab? >> >> May want to try in Base Mode. >> >> May want to try in a Dev Studio version with the same version as Server. >> (Rule of thumb is newer versions of Dev Studio will try to introduce >> features that Older Version of ARS server will not be aware of and not know >> how to handle.) >> >> Take Care**** >> >> **** >> >> Dale Jones**** >> >> DCS**** >> >> Raleigh, NC**** >> >> 919-523-6034**** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ >> [email protected]] on behalf of Shellman, David [[email protected]] >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2013 12:39 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field**** >> >> ** **** >> >> Tried that. You get a message that the form types do not match.**** >> >> **** >> >> Dave**** >> >> >> On May 15, 2013, at 12:24 PM, "Julie Sellers" <[email protected]> >> wrote:**** >> >> ** **** >> >> Dave, >> When you export a form it creates two items for import, the base form and >> the overlay (indicated by the form name with a '.o' extension). >> Could you not export the data, export the form, and then only import the >> base form (basically deleting the overlay)?**** >> >> Just a thought...**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* "Shellman, David" <[email protected]> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:57 AM >> *Subject:* Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field**** >> >> **** >> >> ** **** >> >> Mark,**** >> >> **** >> >> If someone could verify it’s a version issue or if it’s an issue that >> also exists with 7.6.04 that would be great.**** >> >> **** >> >> We went through several discussions with Jason Miller before we >> upgraded. He was assured by Dev Studio developers that using a newer >> version is backward compatible.**** >> >> **** >> >> We needed to upgrade to 8.1 to get us out of a corner that we had been >> painted into with 7.6.04 Dev Studio. 7.6.04 had several shortcomings once >> an “unmodified” form had an overlay added. Since the forms were home grown >> from previous versions of the AR System we decided to go to convert them to >> “custom” forms. 7.6.04 Dev Studio does not have the ability to delete an >> Overlay which needs to be done before converting.**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ >> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Brittain, >> Mark >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2013 10:19 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: Question concerning Attachment Pool field**** >> >> **** >> >> ** **** >> >> Hi Dave,**** >> >> **** >> >> The general rule has always been to use the same version of the >> admin/developer tool as the server version. So there might be something >> with the 8.1 developer that is not compatible.**** >> >> **** >> >> Mark**** >> >> **** >> >> *From:* Action Request System discussion list(ARSList) [ >> mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Shellman, >> David >> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 15, 2013 9:51 AM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Question concerning Attachment Pool field**** >> >> **** >> >> ** **** >> >> I’m seeing something odd with Developer Studio. Not sure it’s me or >> something with Dev Studio.**** >> >> **** >> >> Using 8.1 Dev Studio against a 7.6.04 server (Windows app server running >> on Oracle).**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> We have a form that has two Attachment Pool fields on the form. I’m >> attempting to move the fields to a Tab on a page field. Drag and Drop >> doesn’t seem to allow me to move the fields there. On a regular field, I >> can right mouse click and use the Move field option. However with an >> Attachment field, I don’t see that option.**** >> >> **** >> >> I can create a new Attachment pool field on the tab but I can’t seem to >> move an exist one.**** >> >> **** >> >> Am I missing something obvious?**** >> >> **** >> >> Dave**** >> >> **** >> >> **** >> >> *Dave Shellman >> *+1 717 810 3687 tel >> +1 717 810 2124 fax >> [email protected]**** >> >> **** >> >> MS 161-043 >> PO Box 3608 >> Harrisburg, PA 17105-3608**** >> >> >> <image001.gif> <http://www.te.com/>**** >> >> **** >> >> <image002.png> >> <http://twitter.com/teconnectivity><image003.png><http://www.facebook.com/teconnectivity> >> <image004.png> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/teconnectivity/> >> <image005.png> >> <http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=1591657><image006.png><http://www.youtube.com/teconnectivity> >> **** >> >> _ARSlist: "Where the Answers Are" and have been for 20 years_ **** >> >> **** >> ------------------------------ >> >> This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable >> proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to >> copyright belonging to Time Warner Cable. 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