Re: [AsburyPark] Digest Number 1251

[luvinasburypark]

Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED], In reference to your comment: facts. And they are facts, which are backed up by transcripts "Facts" come from the same root as "factory": to do or to make what we want.   To wit:   "All generous minds have a horror of what are commonly called 'facts.' They are the brute beasts of the intellectual domain. Who does not know fellows that always have an ill-conditioned fact or two that they lead after them into decent company like so many bull-dogs, ready to let them slip at every ingenious suggestion, or convenient generalization, or pleasant fancy?"     -Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.   "I'm not afraid of facts, I welcome facts but a congeries of facts is not equivalent to an idea. This is the essential fallacy of the so-called "scientific" mind. People who mistake facts for ideas are incomplete thinkers; they are gossips."  -Cynthia Ozick (b. 1928), novelist   "Facts are generally over-esteemed. For most practical purposes, a thing is what men think it is. When they judged the earth flat, it was flat. As long as men thought slavery tolerable, tolerable it was. We live down here among shadows, shadows among shadows." John Updike (b. 1932), author, critic   Respectfully submitted, Mario                       ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: [AsburyPark] Digest Number 1251 Date: 5/9/2005 10:52:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com Sent on:    Dan - Thanks for reminding everyone of these facts. And they are facts, which are backed up by transcripts from the meeting where Loffredo made these comments. I have the tapes if anyone wants to listen to them. Also, I played the tape on the show that covered this issue. Anyone interested can check the archives on RestoreRadio.com. Thanks again, Dan. Maureen   In a message dated 5/9/2005 4:54:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, AsburyPark@yahoogroups.com writes: Message: 4            Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 15:54:03 -0000    From: "dfsavgny" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: APP Endorese Incumbents From APP "Loffredo is savvy and knowledgeable, and he understands the need for both patience and for the long view. Mellina, though a lightning rod for much of the anti-redevelopment criticism, has been a tireless worker and understands better than most that the city's only hope for building a better life for everyone in the community is to expand the ratable base." Loffredo is obviously savvy enough to know which side his bread is buttered on. The APP is a joke. They repeatedly refused to print my response to Loffredo's public reversal on the Triangle sale and his lip-syncing for Al Faiella, Asbury Partners' attorney. The Coaster also refused to print it. The other day in NYC, Charlie Rangel apparently reversed himself on the West Side Jets stadium. Every local paper took him to task for it. I guess things in NJ are different and the papers let elected officals betray their constituients. Remember on May 10th that Loffredo tried to sell you a bill of goods. On Dec 15 he stated that the values in both appraisals for the Triangle were too low in his professional opinion. He brought up none of the "facts" that he one week later tried to convince you really meant we were getting $33 million for the Triangle. Contrary to his later advertisement for Asbury Partners, he either was "not up on the facts" when the ordinace was discussed, or he chose to purposefully withold them from the public. In the end, his and Faiella's facts are hogwash, they have nothing to do with the price we are supposed to get for the Triangle. Remember on May 10th, this is the last real estate asset we have left to sell or give away to Asbury Partners. Its worth several millions of dollars, not the $400,000 Loffredo and cohorts are ready to give it away for, and certainly not the $175,000 Asbury Partners wants to steal it for. Why is this issue so important, because it reflects how the majority voting block on the council has handled everything with Asbury Partners.   Speak up - It's America!! Maureen Nevin Restore Radio 88.1FM - 4 Years on the Radio!! Asbury Park's Own Live Talk Show 601 Bangs Avenue Listen 8 - 10 PM Thursdays on 88.1FM or Listen Live or Later on the Web http://www.restoreradio.com/ Call the show 732-775-0821 Call me 732-774-0779 fax 502-0463 Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AsburyPark/   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.