Jack if it is fair to bring up examples of religious people you think have failed, then I suppose it is fair for me to bring to your attention three non-religious, Secular Humanist/Darwinists of the 20th Century:
Stalin - Hitler - Mao. About 20 million dead thanks to the 3 non-religious guys. I'll take the believers as leaders any day. --- In [email protected], "Hinge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't want to change the fact that I "live in a religious country" > I just don't want it affecting my life. > As for America being very religious, perhaps it is, but I think that > in many regards, America's religious establishments have made a > mockery of themselves. Take all the priest sex scandals? What about > people like GW who's very religious, but he's lied to the public on a > number of occasions (although maybe he was just relaying info he > thought was true). Before and during the war, GW has brought God into > nearly every speech he's done, yet because of his misguided war, 3100 > plus US soldiers, and countless Iraqi's have died. What about the Abu > Grabe abuse? What "god" would let that happen? What about the anti > abortion religious kooks who think it's ok to blow up clinics and harm > innocent people? > As far as i'm concerned, religion is not a fact. I'd be happy to > change that opinion if somebody could provide me with absolute proof, > but I don't see that happening anytime soon > --- In [email protected], "justifiedright" > <justifiedright@> wrote: > > > > The point is you are living in a religious country. You want to > > change that, and that's your right to try. However, you have no > > right to stop me from pointing out that your prior posts seemed to > > ignore history and law. > > > > America is a very religious country. > > > > You feel religion plays to big a role in our governing. I say its > > too small. > > > > To each our own. > > > > --- In [email protected], "Hinge" <hinge98@> wrote: > > > > > > Is your point that because i'm in the minority when it comes to > > > religion, my views are any less important? Is your point that I > > just > > > have to accept the fact that religious influence on issue's in our > > > country are correct? I think the religious influence is way out of > > > control. I really don't think it has any place in the governing of > > our > > > country. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Hinge" <hinge98@> wrote: > > > > > > > > And? What's your point? > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "justifiedright" > > > > <justifiedright@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You may not be religious, but your country is. > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Hinge" <hinge98@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You are partially right; > > > > > > "The first amendment to the US Constitution states "Congress > > shall > > > > > make no law > > > > > > respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the > > free > > > > > exercise thereof". Both > > > > > > these clauses, known as the "establishment clause" and > > the "free > > > > > exercise clause" > > > > > > respectively, are significant. To give perspective, there > > was a > > > > > great conservation of > > > > > > language in the Bill of Rights; the intention was to avoid > > > > > creating loopholes, while still > > > > > > providing a buffer between the Legislature and the most > > basic > > > > > rights of the people. It is > > > > > > significant, then, that there are two clauses where one > > would > > > > > suffice, were the intention > > > > > > only to prevent respect for a religious establishment or > > only to > > > > > protect free exercise." > > > > > > Even though i'm a non-believer, I respect people that do. I > > just > > > > > feel that religion is playing > > > > > > way to big a role in our countries politics. That role is > > making > > > > > an assumption that religion > > > > > > is "fact" and that we are all religious. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "justifiedright" > > > > > <justifiedright@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Hinge" <hinge98@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But it's in the Constitution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No it isn't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In my opinion, my rights are being violated every single > > time > > > > > that > > > > > > > > religion has an influence in the decisions made in our > > country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So I should be forced to denounce my religion before > > entering a > > > > > voting > > > > > > > booth? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> See what's inside the new Yahoo! 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