On 2 January 2013 23:20, Jens Getreu <[email protected]> wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 2. Januar 2013 01:32:49 UTC+2 schrieb Lex Trotman:
>>
>> On 1 January 2013 20:20, Stuart Rackham <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> > this path than me. My problem with the Python 3 thing is that I can't
>> > think of a single reason I (emphasis on "I") would want to other than
>> > "gee, that would be nice", so I'm not planning to roll my sleeves up any
>> > time soon on this one.
>>
>
> Hi Stuart and Lex,
>
> short term python 3 migration seems crucial to me for the success of
> asciidoc.
>
> Why? System admins do not like to have several Python versions on their
> servers. If we had a python 3 version it would be easy to install asciidoc
> aside with other markup languages. Markup languages are getting
> more and more popular as the are offered on many sites for cooperate
> online editing. A python 3 version would significantly increase the
> availability of asciidoc and thus it's popularity.

Well, most of my sysadmins are still welded to Python2 on old Redhat
versions, yours must be more adventurous :)

>
> Asciidoc is well documented and the cheat-sheet is a very good start
> for beginners. In addition a life editor
> (like  http://sourceforge.net/p/retext/home/ReText/) would ease the learning
> of asciidoc and contribute to increase its popularity also.
> These tools already rely on python 3. We discussed the topic here:
> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/asciidoc/0p8l1qD8-40/discussion
>
> Besides time and motivation who could migrate the code to python 3?
> Of course there are many python gurus out there. Maybe it is possible
> to find someone able to do it.

I can't talk for Stuart, but I was not trying to imply that someone
shouldn't do it, just explaining that I don't have the time or much
inclination to do so.

Thats why I posted my thoughts on encoding :)

Although a big part of the process can be
> automated, there is a risk introducing a bunch of regression bugs.

And this is the biggest problem, documents are things that get
archived, changing tools so they can no longer be used is *really bad*
(tm).


> Therefore the migration should be preferably done by the asciidoc core
> team, knowing the code well enough to identify the critical parts in
> advance.

It may be preferable, but, for me anyway is unlikely to happen, unless
you sort out a means of deforming time separate from space so I have
55 hours a day, but then I suspect the home boss will find things to
fill that :)

>
> As I understand the asciidoc core team is Stuart and Lex?
> I imagine it is mainly a matter of time and resources, so maybe it is
> possible to delegate some of your tasks to someone else? For example code
> maintenance could be done without knowing all implementation details.
> Documentation also. Then you would have more time to concentrate
> on more strategical tasks like migration ;)
>

Maintenance, answering emails etc are things that only take a few
minutes at a time.  Porting to Python 3 is something that will take a
lot of concentrated time, it can't be done a few minutes at a time.
And at least for me, that simply isn't available.


> Cheers
>
>
>
> Jens
>
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