Yeah. I remember reporting the bug on C.L.L. "The bug" being Franz's "Modern Mode" :) :) :) :)
On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 7:05 PM Wilfredo Velazquez <zulu.in...@gmail.com> wrote: > That's the thing with (symbol-name '#:foo), it relies on no such > assumptions. Of note, consider Allegro's "Modern Mode": > > https://franz.com/support/tech_corner/modern.mode.html > > Whether I agree with it or not, using the `symbol-name` version makes me > not have to think about any of these things further and carry on with my > life. > But that's just like, my opinion, man > > On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 1:00 PM Marco Antoniotti < > marco.antonio...@unimib.it> wrote: > >> Even easier! >> >> "FOO" >> >> ... assuming the usual rules. >> >> Cheers >> >> MA >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 5:55 PM Wilfredo Velazquez <zulu.in...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Ah, pleasure to learn of another fellow >>> (symbol-name '#:foo) >>> enjoyer :) >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 5, 2023, 10:18 AM Marco Antoniotti < >>> marco.antonio...@unimib.it> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> CLAD can be used for *any* Mac/Windows/UN*X configuration. The current >>>> limitations are that it assumes "personal" configurations and not "system >>>> wide/admin accessible only locations". >>>> >>>> The issue is that, as soon as ASDF gets loaded, it should load CLAD as >>>> a minimal prerequisite. At that point you have the CLAD package present >>>> and you can issue a >>>> >>>> (clad:ensure-app-or-library-data-folder "ASDF") >>>> >>>> or even a >>>> >>>> (clad:ensure-app-or-library-data-folder "ASDF" :impl-dependent t) >>>> >>>> And you will have the, e.g., "~/Library/Common Lisp/ASDF/" ready on a >>>> Mac, or the "C:/Users/MeMyself/AppData/Roaming/Common >>>> Lisp/ASDF/LispWorks/" ready on Windows (10, and 11 for sure). >>>> >>>> Is that what you want? >>>> >>>> I did write this thingy because there was a pesky configuration issue >>>> with - another shameless plus - HELambdaP (https://helambdap.sf.net). >>>> I believe it solved the problem in a rather general way. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Marco >>>> >>>> PS Of course there is another rabbit hole to be handled - or avoided :) >>>> What you REALLY want to have in the "ASDF loading code" is: >>>> >>>> (load-if-possible "CLAD-STUFF") >>>> (funcall (find-symbol (string '#:ensure-app-or-library-data-folder) >>>> "CLAD") "ASDF") >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 3:49 PM Robert Goldman <rpgold...@sift.net> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I was just answering what I thought was your question -- could CLAD be >>>>> used as a source for ASDF configuration. >>>>> >>>>> On 4 Jun 2023, at 15:57, Marco Antoniotti wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Robert, >>>>> >>>>> AFAIU this is the configuration of ASDF itself, when loading in a >>>>> fresh CL. I think we are not clear about the timing of what should be >>>>> loaded when. >>>>> >>>>> CLAD does not need ASDF or UIOP. It just has a .asd file because >>>>> Quicklisp asks for it. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> MA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2023 at 9:00 PM Robert Goldman <rpgold...@sift.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> TBQH, I am not as sure as I should be. I try to avoid all the >>>>>> configuration that happens while ASDF loads, so that I configure only >>>>>> *after* the load is complete, at a point where I can watch what goes >>>>>> on. As I have said before, I don't like the configuration that uses >>>>>> config >>>>>> files, environment variables or magic directories, because it's >>>>>> impossible >>>>>> to debug (by the time ASDF is loaded and can be instrumented, it's too >>>>>> late). >>>>>> >>>>>> I believe the right thing would be for you to figure out how to add >>>>>> an entry to the variable asdf:*default-source-registries* that is a >>>>>> function that will collect the appropriate configuration information. >>>>>> But I >>>>>> don't claim to fully understand source-registry.lisp >>>>>> <https://gitlab.common-lisp.net/asdf/asdf/-/blob/9c7f1b76ca8e820c020a3ec3aeb4b507ab15aa34/source-registry.lisp> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4 Jun 2023, at 3:29, Marco Antoniotti wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Sure. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not privy to ASDF bootstrap. Where would you start? >>>>>> >>>>>> MA >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2023 at 12:41 AM Robert P. Goldman <rpgold...@sift.net> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The next step would be to add an ASDF plug-in so that ASDF can read >>>>>>> its configuration from a CLAD set up…. :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Robert P. Goldman >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On June 3, 2023 at 16:56:53, Marco Antoniotti ( >>>>>>> marco.antonio...@unimib.it) wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wellll. You need a CL to load ASDF, don’t you? :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> CLAD is minimal and barebones. You can load it from two files >>>>>>>> (just because the DEFPACKAGE is separate) and it’s there. Look ma! No >>>>>>>> ASDF! :) (Or UIOP) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But I see your point. Time to add a clad-setup.lisp file. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> MA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 3 Jun 2023 at 23:10, Robert Goldman <rpgold...@sift.info> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I do like the idea of CLAD, but in this case isn't there a >>>>>>>>> Catch-22? You need to configure ASDF in order to load CLAD, so you >>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>> use CLAD to configure ASDF, can you? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 3 Jun 2023, at 10:57, Marco Antoniotti wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ahem. Shameless plug: >>>>>>>>> https://gitlab.common-lisp.net/mantoniotti/CLAD >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> MA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 5:28 PM Robert Goldman <rpgold...@sift.info> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Greg, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the kind words! I am not sure why I didn't see your >>>>>>>>>> post on ASDF-devel, but I didn't. And I have seen several requests >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> moderation, so the list seems live. In case my response is >>>>>>>>>> interesting to >>>>>>>>>> the group, I am responding to the list as well. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> A couple of disclaimers: (1) I haven't used Windows in more than >>>>>>>>>> a decade, and (2) I don't use these configuration files. I find I'm >>>>>>>>>> happier >>>>>>>>>> to keep all of my lisp configuration in lisp configuration files ( >>>>>>>>>> clinit.cl, .sbclrc, etc. -- indeed I point all of those at one >>>>>>>>>> single lisp-config.lisp file), instead of having to hunt through >>>>>>>>>> multiple files in multiple locations for this information. So take >>>>>>>>>> anything >>>>>>>>>> I say with more than a grain of salt (given your cardiologist >>>>>>>>>> approves!). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That said, these config files are placed according to the XDG >>>>>>>>>> standard which... as far as I can tell only applies to linux, and >>>>>>>>>> not to >>>>>>>>>> either Windows or MacOS. So there's code in ASDF/UIOP that extends >>>>>>>>>> XDG to >>>>>>>>>> other platforms. ASDF documentation about XDG can be found here >>>>>>>>>> <https://asdf.common-lisp.dev/asdf.html#XDG-base-directory>. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I don't understand Windows enough to understand this piece of >>>>>>>>>> text from the ASDF manual: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Since support for querying the Windows registry is not possible >>>>>>>>>> to do in reasonable amounts of portable Common Lisp code, ASDF 3 >>>>>>>>>> relies on >>>>>>>>>> the environment variables that Windows usually exports, and are >>>>>>>>>> hopefully >>>>>>>>>> in synch with the Windows registry. If you care about the details, >>>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>>> uiop/configuration.lisp and don’t hesitate to suggest improvements. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The relevant code may be found in uiop/configuration.lisp >>>>>>>>>> <https://gitlab.common-lisp.net/asdf/asdf/-/blob/release/uiop/configuration.lisp>. >>>>>>>>>> It looks like invoking the functions uiop:xdg-config-home and >>>>>>>>>> uiop:xdg-config-pathnames might help you figure out where ASDF >>>>>>>>>> is looking. But I don't really understand the discussion about the >>>>>>>>>> registry >>>>>>>>>> above. I do see a bit of code that says that UIOP (and thus ASDF) >>>>>>>>>> look for >>>>>>>>>> configs in the value of (uiop:xdg-data-dirs "config/") -- maybe >>>>>>>>>> see what that evaluates to on your Windows box? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I hope that these snippets have been helpful, and if you find the >>>>>>>>>> answers you seek, please send to me and ASDF-devel, so that the >>>>>>>>>> information >>>>>>>>>> will be available to others. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It might be a good thing if someone with the resources would gift >>>>>>>>>> a Windows resource to the CL Foundation to hook into >>>>>>>>>> common-lisp.net so that the community doesn't have to rely on >>>>>>>>>> this kind of guesswork. I note that ASDF is no longer tested on >>>>>>>>>> Windows at >>>>>>>>>> all, since I don't have access to a Windows VM and even if I did, I >>>>>>>>>> wouldn't know how to use it (nor do I have the time to learn). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Good luck! >>>>>>>>>> R >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2 Jun 2023, at 19:40, Greg Bennett wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Good evening Robert, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Some longish time ago you were kind enough to help me with ASDF >>>>>>>>>> matters. >>>>>>>>>> I posted recently to asdf-devel, largely in the hope that you >>>>>>>>>> might see it, I confess. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Web search has, so far, not been helpful, I'm afraid. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I shall quite understand if you do not reply; your inbox must >>>>>>>>>> receive lots of this sort of thing. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have a test system in c:/ASDF/asdf-tests/ copied from the linux >>>>>>>>>> directory /home/gwbennett/ASDF/asdf-tests/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Under Linux in my source-registry.conf.d directory I have the >>>>>>>>>> file gb-source.conf >>>>>>>>>> with the one line (:tree "/home/gwbennett/ASDF/asdf-tests/") >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Then in sbcl I can issue (asdf:load-system "gb-a") and all is >>>>>>>>>> well. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have tried various spots for gb-source.conf under Windows, all >>>>>>>>>> without success: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> c:\Users\Greg\AppData\Local\config\common-lisp\source-registry.conf.d\ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> c:\Users\Greg\ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> c:\Users\Greg\AppData\ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> c:\Users\Greg\AppData\Local\ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If I issue, old style, (push "c:/ASDF/asdf-tests/" >>>>>>>>>> asdf:*central-registry*) then all is well. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Perhaps there is no place for a config file under W! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Greg >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Marco Antoniotti >>>>>>>> https://dcb.disco.unimib.it >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> > > -- > Wilfredo Velázquez-Rodríguez >