Ah, pleasure to learn of another fellow
(symbol-name '#:foo)
enjoyer :)
On Mon, Jun 5, 2023, 10:18 AM Marco Antoniotti <marco.antonio...@unimib.it>
wrote:
> Hi
>
> CLAD can be used for *any* Mac/Windows/UN*X configuration. The current
> limitations are that it assumes "personal" configurations and not "system
> wide/admin accessible only locations".
>
> The issue is that, as soon as ASDF gets loaded, it should load CLAD as a
> minimal prerequisite. At that point you have the CLAD package present and
> you can issue a
>
> (clad:ensure-app-or-library-data-folder "ASDF")
>
> or even a
>
> (clad:ensure-app-or-library-data-folder "ASDF" :impl-dependent t)
>
> And you will have the, e.g., "~/Library/Common Lisp/ASDF/" ready on a
> Mac, or the "C:/Users/MeMyself/AppData/Roaming/Common
> Lisp/ASDF/LispWorks/" ready on Windows (10, and 11 for sure).
>
> Is that what you want?
>
> I did write this thingy because there was a pesky configuration issue with
> - another shameless plus - HELambdaP (https://helambdap.sf.net). I
> believe it solved the problem in a rather general way.
>
> Cheers
>
> Marco
>
> PS Of course there is another rabbit hole to be handled - or avoided :)
> What you REALLY want to have in the "ASDF loading code" is:
>
> (load-if-possible "CLAD-STUFF")
> (funcall (find-symbol (string '#:ensure-app-or-library-data-folder)
> "CLAD") "ASDF")
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 5, 2023 at 3:49 PM Robert Goldman <rpgold...@sift.net> wrote:
>
>> I was just answering what I thought was your question -- could CLAD be
>> used as a source for ASDF configuration.
>>
>> On 4 Jun 2023, at 15:57, Marco Antoniotti wrote:
>>
>> Hi Robert,
>>
>> AFAIU this is the configuration of ASDF itself, when loading in a fresh
>> CL. I think we are not clear about the timing of what should be loaded
>> when.
>>
>> CLAD does not need ASDF or UIOP. It just has a .asd file because
>> Quicklisp asks for it.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> MA
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2023 at 9:00 PM Robert Goldman <rpgold...@sift.net> wrote:
>>
>>> TBQH, I am not as sure as I should be. I try to avoid all the
>>> configuration that happens while ASDF loads, so that I configure only
>>> *after* the load is complete, at a point where I can watch what goes
>>> on. As I have said before, I don't like the configuration that uses config
>>> files, environment variables or magic directories, because it's impossible
>>> to debug (by the time ASDF is loaded and can be instrumented, it's too
>>> late).
>>>
>>> I believe the right thing would be for you to figure out how to add an
>>> entry to the variable asdf:*default-source-registries* that is a
>>> function that will collect the appropriate configuration information. But I
>>> don't claim to fully understand source-registry.lisp
>>> <https://gitlab.common-lisp.net/asdf/asdf/-/blob/9c7f1b76ca8e820c020a3ec3aeb4b507ab15aa34/source-registry.lisp>
>>> .
>>>
>>> On 4 Jun 2023, at 3:29, Marco Antoniotti wrote:
>>>
>>> Sure.
>>>
>>> I am not privy to ASDF bootstrap. Where would you start?
>>>
>>> MA
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2023 at 12:41 AM Robert P. Goldman <rpgold...@sift.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The next step would be to add an ASDF plug-in so that ASDF can read its
>>>> configuration from a CLAD set up…. :-)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Robert P. Goldman
>>>>
>>>> On June 3, 2023 at 16:56:53, Marco Antoniotti (
>>>> marco.antonio...@unimib.it) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wellll. You need a CL to load ASDF, don’t you? :)
>>>>>
>>>>> CLAD is minimal and barebones. You can load it from two files (just
>>>>> because the DEFPACKAGE is separate) and it’s there. Look ma! No ASDF! :)
>>>>> (Or UIOP)
>>>>>
>>>>> But I see your point. Time to add a clad-setup.lisp file.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> MA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 3 Jun 2023 at 23:10, Robert Goldman <rpgold...@sift.info>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I do like the idea of CLAD, but in this case isn't there a Catch-22?
>>>>>> You need to configure ASDF in order to load CLAD, so you can't use CLAD
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> configure ASDF, can you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3 Jun 2023, at 10:57, Marco Antoniotti wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ahem. Shameless plug:
>>>>>> https://gitlab.common-lisp.net/mantoniotti/CLAD
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 3, 2023 at 5:28 PM Robert Goldman <rpgold...@sift.info>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Greg,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the kind words! I am not sure why I didn't see your post
>>>>>>> on ASDF-devel, but I didn't. And I have seen several requests for
>>>>>>> moderation, so the list seems live. In case my response is interesting
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the group, I am responding to the list as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A couple of disclaimers: (1) I haven't used Windows in more than a
>>>>>>> decade, and (2) I don't use these configuration files. I find I'm
>>>>>>> happier
>>>>>>> to keep all of my lisp configuration in lisp configuration files (
>>>>>>> clinit.cl, .sbclrc, etc. -- indeed I point all of those at one
>>>>>>> single lisp-config.lisp file), instead of having to hunt through
>>>>>>> multiple files in multiple locations for this information. So take
>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>> I say with more than a grain of salt (given your cardiologist
>>>>>>> approves!).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That said, these config files are placed according to the XDG
>>>>>>> standard which... as far as I can tell only applies to linux, and not to
>>>>>>> either Windows or MacOS. So there's code in ASDF/UIOP that extends XDG
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> other platforms. ASDF documentation about XDG can be found here
>>>>>>> <https://asdf.common-lisp.dev/asdf.html#XDG-base-directory>.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't understand Windows enough to understand this piece of text
>>>>>>> from the ASDF manual:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since support for querying the Windows registry is not possible to
>>>>>>> do in reasonable amounts of portable Common Lisp code, ASDF 3 relies on
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> environment variables that Windows usually exports, and are hopefully in
>>>>>>> synch with the Windows registry. If you care about the details, see
>>>>>>> uiop/configuration.lisp and don’t hesitate to suggest improvements.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The relevant code may be found in uiop/configuration.lisp
>>>>>>> <https://gitlab.common-lisp.net/asdf/asdf/-/blob/release/uiop/configuration.lisp>.
>>>>>>> It looks like invoking the functions uiop:xdg-config-home and
>>>>>>> uiop:xdg-config-pathnames might help you figure out where ASDF is
>>>>>>> looking. But I don't really understand the discussion about the registry
>>>>>>> above. I do see a bit of code that says that UIOP (and thus ASDF) look
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> configs in the value of (uiop:xdg-data-dirs "config/") -- maybe see
>>>>>>> what that evaluates to on your Windows box?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope that these snippets have been helpful, and if you find the
>>>>>>> answers you seek, please send to me and ASDF-devel, so that the
>>>>>>> information
>>>>>>> will be available to others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It might be a good thing if someone with the resources would gift a
>>>>>>> Windows resource to the CL Foundation to hook into common-lisp.net
>>>>>>> so that the community doesn't have to rely on this kind of guesswork. I
>>>>>>> note that ASDF is no longer tested on Windows at all, since I don't have
>>>>>>> access to a Windows VM and even if I did, I wouldn't know how to use it
>>>>>>> (nor do I have the time to learn).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good luck!
>>>>>>> R
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2 Jun 2023, at 19:40, Greg Bennett wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good evening Robert,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some longish time ago you were kind enough to help me with ASDF
>>>>>>> matters.
>>>>>>> I posted recently to asdf-devel, largely in the hope that you might
>>>>>>> see it, I confess.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Web search has, so far, not been helpful, I'm afraid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I shall quite understand if you do not reply; your inbox must
>>>>>>> receive lots of this sort of thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a test system in c:/ASDF/asdf-tests/ copied from the linux
>>>>>>> directory /home/gwbennett/ASDF/asdf-tests/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Under Linux in my source-registry.conf.d directory I have the file
>>>>>>> gb-source.conf
>>>>>>> with the one line (:tree "/home/gwbennett/ASDF/asdf-tests/")
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then in sbcl I can issue (asdf:load-system "gb-a") and all is well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have tried various spots for gb-source.conf under Windows, all
>>>>>>> without success:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> c:\Users\Greg\AppData\Local\config\common-lisp\source-registry.conf.d\
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> c:\Users\Greg\
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> c:\Users\Greg\AppData\
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> c:\Users\Greg\AppData\Local\
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I issue, old style, (push "c:/ASDF/asdf-tests/"
>>>>>>> asdf:*central-registry*) then all is well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps there is no place for a config file under W!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>> Marco Antoniotti
>>>>> https://dcb.disco.unimib.it
>>>>>
>>>>
