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So it make sense to demand more 'bribe'
from the Centre so that they will be forced to give up. My question is why Mr
Gogoi ministry is not demanding more ;bribe'. The Report points to the fact that
money to Assam is coming far less than to other NE States.
My question is what we should
do:
(1) Demand more money (at least four times
than present) throwing the Report at the face of Manmohan Singh and Sonia
Gandhi, or
(2) Do nothing dreaming the Assamese dream
that Centre will, very soon, out of frustration, give Assam independence
any way.on a golden plate because
(a) Some Assamese
feel it is better for India to let Assam go;
(b) Some Assamese
feel that Assam was never ruled by India.and should not rule now.
(c) Some Assamese
feel that India has failed to govern Assam anyway and therfore should hand
over Assam to Assamese now.
Is the the great Assamese plan for
independence?
Independence was never won on the basis of
what 'should be'.
Independence must be gained by fighting on
the basis of what 'would be'.
I don't see that great Assamese fight for
independence nor the fight to get more 'bribe'
Is this a Hobo Diok plan?.
RB .
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 7:03
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Fwd: Study on Assam
-Centre for PolicyAlternatives--Addedum
>>>>>You
failed to explain why the GOI does not want to bribe Assam which is also a
state in the NE>>>>>
Simple,
Gentlemen,
Easy to Do that for
5Lakh Mizos and 15 Lakh Nagalanders, Arunachal of course :to
Justify/feed the huge military presence. Manipur is a headche--nothing
happens in spite of huge pumping ins -they stubbornly stick to their
"Want pre-1949 kingdom back. "
Assam was split many a
time- lastly Bodoland and the 'Autonomous' district councils. Still
unmanageable. 3 crores are difficult to bribe with
visible benefits to the BRIBED. Ever Economist in India is throwing up hands
at inflation-and the root cauuse is Waste due to"Bribing". Delhi should want
a Settlement with Assam FAST. Next Floods not far away. Heard of Task
Force?
mm
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Rajen
Barua" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Assam] Fwd: Study on
Assam -Centre for Policy Alternatives--Addedum
Date: Thu, 3 Nov
2005 11:02:52 -0600
At 10:13 AM -0600 11/3/05, Rajen Barua wrote:
*** You are taking things
personally.
I am not. It is NOT
about YOU. Nor is it about me.
**** Okkkay! I believe you ( hint, hint :-))! You just threw me off
with those declarations about not believing ME, not trusting ME and stuff
like that, as if
" moi twmar paani-khowa pukhurit bih dhalisilw" .
It is about
your false ideology with the belief that rest of the NE States progress is
due to GOI bribing these states.
You failed to
explain why the GOI does not want to bribe Assam which is also a state in
the NE
*** Rajen, I don't understand why you keep badgering me for getting
into things that makes you angry later.
But since you insists, here it is:
I NEVER suggested that India does not BRIBE Assam. It has been doing
just that.
Where do you think all the monies that Dilli does send to Assam? Is it
going for public health-care improvements? Is it improving primary
schooling? Is it showing up in infrastructure development? Is it reducing
infant mortality?
But your trump card, the ace of your argument here is that the other NE
states are using it effectively to show better stats. while Assam is not.
And why is that?
Because it is the Assamese people's own damn fault--that they are
crooks, incompetents and lazy-ass bums. Right? That is your big argument
isn't it ? Surely you told us that any number of times.
And you know what? I can offer my own opinion of your opinion here, but
knowing how you have been reacting of late, I would just as soon not. So why
don't you take a deep breath and see if you can get to the bottom of it by
yourself. Surely you heard explanations of it here before, any number of
times.
Finally, the improved stats on the OTHER NE states on the issues you
cite, I have no reason to doubt or question their validity. But WHAT do
those stats. really MEAN?
* Do you know what the
BASE-LINE used for computing those gains is?
* Are they gains, the
'delta', over a pan-Indian benchmark, or is it
a delta over its own
baseline of a certain date?
* If it is the latter for
example, do you not realize that a
society where infant
mortality used to be very high, a slight
reduction in number could
register as a very high percentage gain.
But does it give us a useful
picture that we could use to compare
and judge its real
value?
* There are other issues. I
am no statistician to delve into these.
But the issue is WHAT do
these numbers REALLY MEAN?
If you don't know the answers above, how could you put your faith
behind the stats. to judge the relative efficacy of the bribery between
Assam and the other NE states to declare
>Then we can really declare that
the people of Assam are the worst in the entire North East >region, worst
then Nagaland, Mizoram, Meghalaya, Arunachal Pradesh etc. ?
Not that it would hurt my feelings if it indeed is so. But if you don't
know the meaning of the stats. how could you make the judgement you
did.
You tell us.
c
And since you did
not, you have simply exposed the hollowness of your
false ideaology, but even then decided not to admit that your ideaology
was and the Report was right.
Once we come to that
position, then we find there is no point in discussing with you who
is trying to pose as the spokesman of ULFA or PCG and bulley e people
to accept wrong ideology applying word skills of the English
language.
Bye Bye, there are
better ways of wasting time.
RB
----- Original Message -----
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: Barua25
; [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Fwd: Study on Assam -Centre for
Policy Alternatives--Addedum
Rajen:
Important things first:
>Let us not proceed any
further. I donot have time to indulge in these endless and meaningless
>dabates. Let us agree that I donot trust you, I donot
understand and and I dnot believe you. >Your words sounds too
strange to me specially when you try to speak for the ULFA or the
PCG.
*** You are taking things personally. It is NOT about YOU.
Nor is it about me. I thought you understood the difference long ago.
And if I remember correctly, you also affirmed that you do not take
these things personally.
But on a lighter note:
*** About your NOT trusting me: That is YOUR prerogative. It
has always been so. You don't need my permission for that. Why do I need
to agree to that? And do you really think I will sign on the dotted line
giving you the freedom not to trust me, so that you can go about telling
people that you don't trust Chandan, because look, right here, he has
signed this release giving me all the rights not to ? I maybe a fool
Rajen, but not stupid. I don't know!
*** Don't feel bad that you don't understand me. I am sure
you are not alone on that. But on the good side, it is really a
self-created problem. An attitudinal one. If you want to understand it,
you will get it instantly.
>Looks like we will have
use plain English:
Are you implying that my English is too hard to comprehend?
If so, why don't you just say so? I can write in Oxomiya too you know?
Just takes it longer. And my command of the language has become somewhat
rusty.
But it does hurt to hear that you don't believe me. Only
mitigating factor here is that I am not sure I said anything that
requires BELIEVING or even TRUSTing. Nobody has to take my word for
anything. I have explained it so many times, I am getting to be like a
broken record. So I am hoping that you said that out of
frustration, out of exasperation. It is like telling someone you love (
no, no, I am not suggesting you have to LOVE me) that you don't in the
heat of an argument or a fight. Anyway, if that is your final decision,
I will have to remain condemned to endure it. My loss. What else can I
say?
>You also may sim,ilar
feelings towards me, I don't know.
*** Perish the thought. I have no such need or intent. I
trust you. I believe you. I even understand you. Only problem is that
some of your arguments are, shall we say, untenable? And many of your
opinions and verdicts are kind of poorly deliberated--particularly re:
Assam, ULFA, Indian governance etc. The uncharitable might actually
characterize some of them with the k-j phrase, if you know what I
mean.
>Let us not proceed any
further.
*** Come now Rajen. Again you are dumping on me by
insinuating that it is my fault, that I am dragging you into saying and
proposing things that you are having trouble defending. Isn't that the
real problem here?
I do try to share my fellow men's burdens, when I can.
But I can bear only so much Rajen. You know I am a little fella, my back
is not all that strong. And if that is not bad enough, I am old
and bald too. Kiman aaru aanor bwza korhiam he', tumiei
kwaswn?
>I think it is
better we simply agree that we donot and never will agree. Let us live
and let live.
*** I can read your exasperation again Rajen. But I never
promised you ( or anyone else) that 'rose garden, along with the
sunshine', remember? And as much as I feel flattered for seeking it, you
really don't need my permission to disagree. Seriously!Trust me (
oops--bad choice of words here perhaps?), I won't write a cement shoes
or knee-cap removal contract on you with ULFA hit-squads. I know I
am baaad, but not that bad!
Finally, WHY do you give me these opportunities to lead into
your commentaries like this Rajen? You know I am a 'bih-guti'(
literally 'poison-seed'), and cannot resist pulling the chimes of
those with extra-short fuses. But you HAVE to keep doing that, don't
you? You need to check that urge for getting frustrated so easily. There
is more to life than Assam Net debates.
You take care now. And don't make me send Tilok
Daktor after you. That is a definite threat! If you don't believe me,
just ask our lovable 'seraa-ppagol' Dr. Brain Deka. See what Tilok
Daktor has done to him? That will be REALLY bad!
c :-)
At 11:27 PM -0600 11/2/05, Barua25 wrote:
Looks like we will have
use plain English:
(1) I said that people of
Assam must be worse than the rest of the states in NE because
they are getting more from GOI and are progressing more in all aspects
of the report: Health, Income, reducing infact morality, and
all.
(2) You basically replied
that I was not trying to analyse the report and understand the issue
why the rests of the NE states seems to be advancing compared
to Assam (this also implies that you actually donot believe the
report). You explained that said it was because it was an integral
part of the grand Indian scheme to keep the NE discombobulated and
fractured. by bribing, the quintessentially Indian
virtue.
(3) Then I asked you, if
that was so, what was wrong with Assam? Why Assam has been left out by
GOI from receiving some bribe? Why the GOI does not want to bribe
Assam which is also a state in the NE? Because if Assam is left out,
you theory "the GOI is it was an integral part of the grand
Indian scheme to keep the NE discombobulated and fractured. by
bribing the quintessentially Indian virtue." must be
wrong.
And you did not answer
and was trying to slip.
Whatever it was, you
failed to explain why GOI is not bribing Assam so that Assam can also
have a false increase of per capita income?
Chandan:
Let us not proceed any
further. I donot have time to indulge in these endless and meaningless
dabates. Let us agree that I donot trust you, I donot understand
and and I dnot believe you. Your words sounds too strange to me
specially when you try to speak for the ULFA or the
PCG.
You also may sim,ilar
feelings towards me, I don't know.
I think it is
better we simply agree that we donot and never will agree. Let us live
and let live.
----- Original Message -----
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: Rajen
Barua ; [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 9:50
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Fwd: Study on Assam -Centre
for Policy Alternatives--Addedum
At 5:44 PM -0600 11/2/05, Rajen Barua wrote:
>It is an integral part of the grand Indian scheme
to keep the NE discombobulated and fractured. By bribing, the
quintessentially Indian
virtue
The million dollar
question is, why the GOI decided to bribe everbody else in the NE
and not Assam.
**** That does not answer the question I raised. HOW
exactly do you see Nagaland or Arunachal or Meghalaya or Mizoram
generating what raises their per capita productivity? It is a pretty
simple thing to analyze you know?
Also there is a pretty darn simple way to understand why
Assam's per capita number is low compared to the rest of the NE
states. But I won't give you the answer. Let us see if you are able
to put your thinking cap on and figure that out all by
yourself.
You live with your
theory (whatever that is) and we live with
ours.
*** That is your choice. I don't live with theories. I
try to understand what these stats. mean. I don't take them at face
value. I have an ability to reason and I use it.
I am not endowed with any more ability or intellect than
Rajen Barua is. But the difference lies in one's willingness to USE
what we are endowed with.
>How about that
live and let live
policy?
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