*** RB did not elucidate ANYTHING. His verdicts are contrived to BLAME
Assam, to hold it guilty, as a JUSTIFICATION for his support of India's
claim to Assam and against Assam's sovereignty aspirations, in pursuit of
protecting his own kinds' lifestyles, obtained from and sustained by the
dysfunctional Indian state.
And that is just on one point.
And may we
say CM's verdicts are contrived to BLAME GOI, to hold it GOI
guilty, as the sole JUSTIFICATION for his support of IAssam's
Soverignty, in pursuit of procuring dictatorial power for the minority to rule
the majority in Assam.
And that is just on one
point.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 8:35
AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Begalis and
MIT
>Point c has not been debated
much.
The question is simple - Even given the dysfunctional
nature
of Indian governance, what could potentially
have been the economic
growth in Assam IF we did not
have problem c.
*** Nice try.
A: Attempt to
put the blame on the disaffected for BEING
disaffected and
reacting.
B: Speculate on
what could have been, if only the disaffected had
only chosen to
take it lying down ?
And if we are to indulge in SPECULATING, why should we limit ourselves to
the one Rajib Das would have us speculate on?
You have already stated - and I am sure most
people
would have accepted - point a. Most would also accept
point b and RB did try to elucidate it in
some of his
>e-mails.
*** WHO are the most people? Assam Netters? People of Assam? People of
India?
GoI, GoA?
And those who would accept it, what have they done about it? It did not
appear yesterday, on my arguments presented to Mayur you know? What have we
seen over the quarter century?
And having seen what we have, why should anyone speculate on the great
things happening to Assam, ONLY if the insurgency had NOT appeared on the
scene?
Is it believable ?
> RB did try to elucidate
*** RB did not elucidate ANYTHING. His verdicts are contrived to BLAME
Assam, to hold it guilty, as a JUSTIFICATION for his support of India's
claim to Assam and against Assam's sovereignty aspirations, in pursuit
of protecting his own kinds' lifestyles, obtained from and sustained by the
dysfunctional Indian state.
And that is just on one point.
At 10:49 AM -0800 11/21/05, Rajib Das wrote:
I would personally define the problems as
mentioned
above.
A SITUATION warrants an outlining of PROBLEMS.
One can
say the SITUATION is that the aspirations of the
people of NE
have not been met.
The primary problems could be, by and large,
those
mentioned by RB.
These problems could have arisen BECAUSE
of:
a. "Dysfunctional" Indian government
b. "Dysfunctional"
GOA
c. The depradations of the liberation armies in the NE
You have already stated - and I am sure most
people
would have accepted - point a. Most would also accept
point b
and RB did try to elucidate it in some of his
e-mails.
I guess most would also
agree that there are degrees
of "dysfunctionality".
Point c has not been debated
much.
The question is simple - Even given the dysfunctional
nature
of Indian governance, what could potentially
have been the economic
growth in Assam IF we did not
have problem c.
--- Chan Mahanta
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Mayur:
>
>
You took the easy road of following Rajen. I was
> hoping you would
do
> a whole lot better. But as long as you did, and
> assuming
that is the
> best we have to go with for the moment, let us
look
> at Rajen's, and
> now yours too, problem
statement:
>
> 1) The North East India is under developed
compared
> to the rest of
> the country and compared to its
natural resources.
> Within the North
> East, Assam is even
lagging behind in development
> compared to the
> other states
in the North East.
> 2) Compared to the rest of the country, the
Assam
> has the problem of
> heaviest infiltration of illegal
immigration which
> has been going one
> since 1930s.
> 3)
Compared to the rest of the country, North East
> has the
highest
> level of Corruption. Assam may be the
worst.
>
>
> *** First off, they are not problem
statements. They
> are descriptions
> of SYMPTOMS, arising out
of certain PROBLEMS which
> would require
> fixing to make Assam
the state of your ideals.
>
> Therefore, you all still need to
find what the
> PROBLEMs are, and how
> your solution concept
does or is expected to address
> the problems.
>
> You can
take one issue at a time. And take your
> time. I will be
>
looking forward to learning a whole lot.
>
>
Best.
>
>
cm
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
At 5:33 AM -0800 11/21/05, mayur bora wrote:
> >Mahanta-da, by and
large I agree with Rajen-da's
> list
> >of problems plaguing
Assam.
> >
> >Mayur
>
>
> >
> >
> >--- Barua25
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Let
me try to help:
> >> We have these problems, in
summary:
> >> 1) The North East India is under
developed
> compared
> >> to the
rest of the country and compared to its
> >> natural
resources. Within the North East, Assam
> is
> >>
even lagging behind in development compared to
> the
>
>> other states in the North East.
> >> 2)
Compared to the rest of the country, the
> Assam
>
>> has the problem of heaviest infiltration of
>
illegal
> >> immigration which has been going one
since
> 1930s.
> >> 3) Compared to the rest of the
country, North
> East
> >> has the highest level of
Corruption. Assam may
> be
> >> the worst.
>
>> 4) Among the North East, Nagaland has the
> problem
of
> >> insurgency since after 1947 and which is
still
> going
> >> on. The reason of
insurgency in Nagaland is
> pure
> >> and
simple. They want independence from India
> as
>
>> their right.
> >> Assam also joined this
insurgency 40 years after
> >> independence in
1979.
> >> The reason of insurgency in Assam are the 1, 2
&
> 3
> >> above.
> >> Assam
has many other problems but the above are
> the
> >>
main.
> >> Meghalaya is the only state whic is free
from
> any
> >> insurgency so far and seem to be
happily tagging
> >> along India.
> >>
So is Mizoram at present.
> >> RB
>
>> .
> >> -----
Original Message -----
> >> From: mc
mahant
> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> Cc: [email protected]
>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 7:22 PM
>
>> Subject: Re: [Assam] Begalis and MIT
>
>>
> >>
> >> The Problem
Statement is not yet forthcoming
> from
> >>
anybody!!
> >>
> >> mm
>
>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>>
> >> From: Chan
Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> To: mayur bora
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >>
[email protected]
> >>
Subject: Re: [Assam] Begalis and MIT
>
>> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:20:10
-0600
> >> >Hi Mayur:
>
>> >
>
>> >Thanks for the reply.
>
>> >
>
>> >You gave your idea of a solution
here, but
> WHAT
> >> is the problem?
>
>> >
>
>> >Unless you tell us what you see
as the
> >> problems, how can anyone weigh
>
>> >if your solution concept
addresses them?
> >> >
>
>> >The reason I am asking is that
your
> solution
> >> concept really did not
>
>> >address anything of any
significance at
> all.
> >> But I am willing
to
> >> >accept that your
concept of what the
> problems
> >> are is different
from
> >> >mine. Therefore it
is important to have a
> >> glimpse of your
version,
> >> >wouldn't you
agree? And once we do, we
> could
> >> weigh if your
analysis
> >> >is sound, to be
persuaded to it or reject
> it.
>
>> >
>
>> > > >You will also
make a very good
> politician.
> >
> > >You know how to engineer a reply
by
> tempting
> >> people.
>
>> >
>
>> >*** Even though you present it as
a sly and
> >> deceitful quality, an
>
>> >ability to communicate and find
common
> ground
> >> to solve common
>
>> >problems ought NOT to
be
> >> >treated like you are
doing. That is an
> >> unfortunate attitude, no
doubt
> >> >born of the
pervasive desi-condition in
> which
> >> politicians
remain
> >> >forever
unaccountable, leaving even
> otherwise
> >>
intelligent folks, like
> >>
>yourself, with a sense of abject
> resignation.
>
>> >
>
>> >But it CAN be changed you know?
May not be
> in
> >> India in the
>
>> >foreseeable future. But an Assam,
freed
> from
> >> the shackles of the
>
>> >dysfunctional Indian system has
every
> >> opportunity to be rid of it.
>
>> >
>
>> >cm
>
>> >
>
>> >
>
>> >
>
>> >
>
>> >
>
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