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**** Sorry, but it was NOT me who was doing that. It is confusion on your
part. But I will give you the benefit of a doubt on grounds of that damned
English language :-).
I fail to understand what you are
trying to say here.
You wrote this just a minute ago
for everyone to see in the internet
>At any event, if Assam is NOt for Assamese, who
should it be for? Biharis, Marwaris, Gujaratis, Punjabis,
B'Deshis--who?
Now you are saying it was NOT you
who wrote this but is a confusion on my part!!!!!!!
In the past I have seen many ways
how you try to slip away from your own statements just to save your face, what
may be termed as 'Chandan Slips'.
But this is the height of Chandan
Slip I would say.
Denying something outright which
you wrote and blaming it on my understanding.
What is there to confuse about
Chandan. You wrote
> At any event, if Assam is NOt for
Assamese, who should it be for? Biharis, Marwaris, Gujaratis, Punjabis,
B'Deshis--who?
If you really feel you are having
too many controversial ideas to fight against, I suggest you take a break and
return with fresh energy.
Netters would
understand.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:22
AM
Subject: Who is Assam For?
At 9:29 PM -0600 12/26/05, Barua25 wrote:
>At any event, if Assam is NOt for
Assamese, who should it be for? Biharis, Marwaris, Gujaratis, Punjabis,
B'Deshis--who?
I
think this is one the major difference of your above view and mine and
many others. According to my view, (and hopefully majority views)
Assam is not only for the Assamese. But Assam is for all those
people, Assamese, Bengalis, Bodos, Nepalis, Biharis, Marwaris, Bangladeshis,
and all others who legaly reside in Assam.
I
donot subscribe to your above narrow Assamese nationalistic feeling which is
simply deviding the people of Assam.
RB
**** Sorry, but it was NOT me who was doing that. It is confusion on your
part. But I will give you the benefit of a doubt on grounds of that damned
English language :-).
Assam IS for the Assamese -- those who BELONG to Assam. It is their
homeland. It includes many different ethnic groups. Ahoms, Bodos, Dimasas,
Misings, Karbis-- etc. etc.Assam is NOT the homeland for Biharis, not for
Marwaris, not for B'deshis. They can be guests there. And become Assamese in
time thru a process of assimilation. But they cannot REMAIN itinerant Marwaris
and Biharis and B'deshis but claim to be Assamese at the same time. That is
the difference
----- Original Message -----
From: Barua25
To: [email protected] ; Chan Mahanta
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] DEMOCRACY HARMING INDIA:
LYNGDOH
**** Whoever wrote :"Today also Sumanta Chaliha and
his 'jatiotabadis' are telling the same thing:"
I fail to see where
did I say it is their sin when I say the above?
I am just showing tne
range of Assam political thinking?
Where is the
sin?
RB
----- Original Message -----
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: Barua25
; [email protected]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] DEMOCRACY HARMING INDIA:
LYNGDOH
Who is talking
about Sumanta's sin?
**** Whoever wrote :"Today also Sumanta Chaliha and his 'jatiotabadis' are
telling the same thing:"
How did Sumanta C get lumped with Tarun Gopgoi, Mamoni
Goswami, Mukul Mahanta and Chandan Mahanta?
>but I did not
know that you are a supporter of his vews on Assam
for Assamese.
**** Do you know that now? And if so, how? What did I say
for you to conclude that?
At any event, if Assam is NOt for Assamese, who should it be
for? Biharis, Marwaris, Gujaratis, Punjabis, B'Deshis--who?
At 12:38 AM -0600 12/26/05, Barua25 wrote:
PS: BTW, what is Sumanta's sin? He is
a nephew you know, son of a first cousin? You may not know this yet,
but he is the newly appointed Editor of Dainik Asom. He joins yet
another Mahanta of Namti, Manjit, another son of a first cousin, who
also is the Editor of Asomiya Pratidin. You moderate and wise
democratic guys in the middle are surrounded by this tribe of Pol- Pot
wanna-be's and extremists or what
:-)?
He is like a brother to me, and I respect his multitalents,
especially his contribution to the Assamese language I donot
necessarily support his Assam for Assamese Jatiotabadi writings.
It does not matter whether he is your nephew ort not, (which I did
not, and need not, know), but I did not know that you are a
supporter of his vews on Assam for Assamese. Thanks for letting
us know.
RB
----- Original Message -----
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: Barua25 ; [email protected]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 8:45
AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] DEMOCRACY HARMING INDIA:
LYNGDOH
Merry Christmas Rajen!
May Peace reign on earth!
And thus I start the morning of this auspicious day
although it is gloomy outside in St. Louis with the forecast of a
slight chance at snow.
To set things straight, I did not wish to put you in a
spot by asking for a bearing on your position/s.
I raised the issue only because you picked out a
bunch of names whose views you denigrate with while denying any
intent to club them together, but raising the issue of a VOID in the
'middle'--thus implying the rest are extremists.
Under the circumstances reasonable people, not to
mention extremists, could suspect you might be a one of the wise
ones holding moderate views for countering the ills of 'democracy'
as Lyngdoh sees them. Your dedication to democratic values, worn not
only on your shirt-sleeves, but other positions in plain sight as
well, could not be missed by any netter but the legally blind. It
was therefore a surprise to see your endorsement of Lyngdoh's
'intellectual' outburst against 'democracy' in India.
I am sure I was not alone in wondering if we are
speaking the same language.
But I shall not harass you any more. You explained
things clearly as mud.
Take care,
c :-)
PS: BTW, what is Sumanta's sin? He is a nephew you know,
son of a first cousin? You may not know this yet, but he is the
newly appointed Editor of Dainik Asom. He joins yet another Mahanta
of Namti, Manjit, another son of a first cousin, who also is the
Editor of Asomiya Pratidin. You moderate and wise democratic guys in
the middle are surrounded by this tribe of Pol- Pot wanna-be's and
extremists or what :-)?
At 12:46 PM -0600 12/24/05, Barua25 wrote:
>Philosophy is a fascinating subject. I don't denigrate
it. But right this instance we have little use for it in these
discussions. "Jwre >puri haat paalehi" -- time to do something
wouldn't you
think?
Philosophy,
as well as history, are important in
the fight in order to know the
enemy.
Almost
hundred years ago, Ambika Giri RaiChoudhury also told the same
thing: "Jwre puri haat paalehi, time to do something. Oxom morile
amiw morim" .
In 79 Assam
Gono Andwlon also Assamese said the same thing: "Jwre puri haat
paalehi--time to do something. Oxom morile amiw
morim"
Today also
Sumanta Chaliha and his 'jatiotabadis' are telling the same
thing: "Jwre puri haat paalehi-time to do something.Oxom morile
amiw morim"
Chandan
Mahanta is also telling the same thing: "Jwre puri haat
paalehi--time to do something"
But unless
you know what is the right thing to do, you will be simply
loosing 25 years this way, another 25 years that
way.
Communism, as proposed by the Mahantas, is
definitely not the solution.
Hatred of
India, as proposed by the Mahnats, is not the
solution.
Doom for
India, as proposed by the Mahantas, is not the
solution.
This I learnt
from my lessons in philosophy and history.
Quicker you
guys realize that the better.
I don't
have any intention to loose another 25 years spending in
arguments on the wrong debate.
I have better
things to do with people
who donot
hate India,
who are
against Communism,
who are for
freedom of the individual,
who are
against slogans
who want to
find the solution based on rational
analysis.
RB
----- Original Message -----
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: Barua25 ; [email protected]
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 7:34
AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] DEMOCRACY HARMING INDIA:
LYNGDOH
I am not seeking your predictions here Rajen.
Regardless of the prescience of amateur or even
professional seers, they are at best idle
speculations.
Positive change can come only with participation and
involvement of those who know better. In that, my question is
where do you stand with your contributions to the positive
changes, which I gather even if only indirectly, that you too
would like to see in Assam?
And what would those changes be that you would
like to see? How do you see a process for such changes put in
place and moved forward?
Philosophy is a fascinating subject. I don't
denigrate it. But right this instance we have little use for it
in these discussions. "Jwre puri haat paalehi" -- time to do
something wouldn't you think?
c
At 9:51 PM -0600 12/23/05, Barua25 wrote:
In my opinion, the reason why there
won't be any major change in India, in spite how pessimistic
or optimistic one feel about India, is because of the age old
characteristics of the Indians. Indians are too imaginative as
opposed to being rational like the Chinese. We Indians
think too
much.
In fact,
I could not find a single event, since the Gupta Empire, that
we Indians did as a nation in the political scene, as a
proactive action other than going by inertia letting things
happen as it may come, each doing Karma being in
his/her own station, letting the chips fall wherever they
will. Of course there had been side actions of the
Ahoms, the Rajputs and many others, but these are foreigners
to be absorbed into the black hole of Hinduism where
imagination take control of the real world and make the Indian
blind to see the real world. Even our struggle for
independence was, in my opinion, a war fought out of
inertia.
As one
philosopher puts it
"In
the Indian world there is, so to speak, no object that can be
regarded as real, and firmly defined - none that was
not at its first apprehension perverted by the imagination
to the very opposite of what it presents to an intelligent
conscienousness...... Among the Hindoos, on the contrary -
instead of Unity - Diversity is the fundamental
characteristic." - Hegel.
RB
----- Original Message -----
From: Chan
Mahanta
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 9:13
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] DEMOCRACY HARMING
INDIA: LYNGDOH
>But
before that there is no doubt India is destined to
play a leading role as an advanced country in the not too
distant >future.
**** I am sure that will please all those who
are not in the receiving end of what Lyngdoh rails about and
are clamoring for a seat at the table of world's 'powers'.
But for the rest it is 'eat cake', isn't it? Unfortunately
the eat-cake crowd is growing, not receding. Something tells
me it will assert itself sooner than later. And Assam will
be in the thick of it if not in the
forefront.
At 4:23 PM -0500 12/23/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Chandan
I do
not find anything to disagree with you.I can only hope
that Lyngdoh's thinking will inspire the coming generation
to find a way out of the present morass in our body
politic. I do not think it will happen in our lifetime.
Politics is ever unpredictable. Gorbachov did
something unthinkable to Communism.According to some
researchers, India is bound to disingegrate in
course of time. But before that there is no doubt
India is destined to play a leading role as an advanced
country in the not too distant future. I do not think
Assam is going to be a major player in
it.
Regards
Bhuban
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