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I think the doors are closing fast
on the debates. At least the following :
They have not tried any reforms but
would say anyway that reforms are not possible under GOI rule.
For them asking for
"accountability" is like a big Xogunor Xaw, but would like to demand
accountability from GOI.
They donot like to discuss any
problems but would like to say all problems will be solved when Assam become
independent.
I say: Upai Nai.
I would rather support ULFA who
have not tried to justify anything but simply want independent
Assam.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 12:05
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Dainik
Agradoot
Oh, C'da,
Was just saying that these ULFA are not so forlorn or lack the background
(which you implied earlier). They do not lack resources to tap on to
expertise worldwide.
Well - these experts could certainly advise them where to invest their
hard earned Indian rupees.
>Show me an example of your desi-demokrasy's luminaries EVER
answering a single question in Assam Net
Of course you are not referring to RB or me, are you? Oh! but we do
answer your questions, it is just that you don't like our answers. :)
--Ram
On 1/20/06, Chan
Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>But they DO HAVE advisors the world over - and some who are
>very conversant in these matters of hard currencies.
*** So?
Show me an example of your desi-demokrasy's luminaries EVER
answering a single question in Assam Net!
At 11:21 AM -0600 1/20/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,
>A good place for answers to your question
would be to go ask the people where ULFA come from
But they DO HAVE advisors the world over -
and some who are very conversant in these matters of hard
currencies.
--Ram
On 1/20/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ram:
A good place for answers to your question would be to go ask
the people where ULFA come from. It certainly could not be found in
Assam Net, not in the ranks of Guahati middle classes' heard earned
wealth building Assam or amongst the freedom-loving elites enriched by
GoI's loot.
At 10:20 AM -0600 1/20/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
MM da,
We certainly need to ask Delhi and GOA too - whenever
there are misappropriations. So, IT IS NOT an excuse of the GOI
or the GOA to escape any accountability.
But since ULFA has taken money from Assam for the last so
many decades, the people of Assam ought to be given a explanation as
to how that money was spent and where the rest of it
is?
The same standards of accountability must be imposed on
GOI/GOA and the ULFA - after all they are the parallel govt, and
govts. ought to be accountable for their actions.
About how they 'earned' the money in the first place will
have to be dealt with at another time possibily.
--Ram
On 1/20/06, mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
May I butt in?
<<ask the ULFA for some of the same accountability
of where all the money they looted for 25+ years has gone and all
the murders they have committed>>
To the Useless Indian Economy after a few
movements.
Loot? Ask
Delhi
mm
From: Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Chan
Mahanta < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: Assam
Organisation <
[email protected]>
Subject:
Re: [Assam] Dainik Agradoot
Date: Fri, 20 Jan
2006 09:32:23 -0600
C'da, Mayur
Could I butt in a bit:
>*** Did the two killers/attackers have brands on
their foreheads
> forever
assuring the outraged like yourself that they were
ULFA
> and not
anything else?
No the don't. But that is the advantage of being an
insurgent.
They don't wear uniforms
They can mix in easily with the
innocent
They can hit and run (and hide among the
innocent)
When its is advantageous, they can claim a bombing or
a murder or an extortion.
If public winds blow the other way, they can always
claim 'it wasn't US, it was the SULFA, the Army pretending to be
us and so on).
RB (Rajen Barua) brought out a very good point the
other day, when you claimed that the ULFA has been running a
parallel government for decades.
If that is so, why didn't this parallel government
SHOW the inept GOA or the GOI what things a government can
do.
Why don't they teach the GOI/GOA a thing or two about
democracy and governance?
All this parallel govt. has shown the people of
Assam is the expertise in the arts of
extortion, murder, hide and seek, and mayhem. If the
GOI and GOA are corrupt and inept, this parallel Govt. shows us
the pitfalls of buying into their 'lofty ideals'.
We often talk about "accountability" (at least C'da
does), and rightly so.
So C'da, why don't you ask the ULFA for some of the
same accountability of where all the money they looted for 25+
years has gone and all the murders they have committed. (or
haven't they killed anyone innocent at all?).
--Ram
On 1/20/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
Hi Mayur:
>By being 'analytical', I don't want to
belittle the
extreme courage shown by those two boys in
response to
the dastardly and heinous act perpetrated by
'the
>sunshine boys' in the name of Assam's
independence.
*** I don't think I or anyone else suggested you
do.
But having stood by the bravery of the two kids,
WHERE is the rest of your 'analytical' assessment of the
report?
Certainly not what you wrote below. Or do you
consider that an analytical assessment of the report in the
Agradoot ? Personally I consider that a diatribe, a shooting off
of your mouth against MRG, without any demonstration of any
analytical ability on your part. See Mayur, epithet slinging
does not substitute for thoughtful deliberation of an issue. I
would have hoped someone of your caliber, training and position
in society would be cognizant of that.
Anyway, allow me to share MY views of the REPORT in
the Agradoot:
*** I
join you in recognizing the valor of the two Bodo
kids.
*** I
hold judgement on GoI's acts of generosity in
felicitating
them with
heroes' welcome, if not trash it outright as yet
another
thoroughly hypocritical bit of shameless
propaganda.
Why, you
would ask I am sure? For the simple reason of numerous
acts
of
governmental terrorism that GoI has perpetrated on people of
Assam
while
never ceasing to spout fealty to democratic principles. If
you
need
further explanation of it, do ask I will be pleased to
furnish.
But be
forewarned :-), that such display of ignorance carries a
price
too, of
one's naivete, biases and lack of credibility.
I will
add one more item to it: Remember the case of the
unarmed
villagers
( I forget in Kamrup or Barpeta) a couple of years
back,
when they
attacked a group of armed marauders, who later
turned
out to be
Indian Army soldiers, without uniform,who then open fire
on
the
villagers killing several and wounding many.
Did
you hear of the GoI holding these unarmed villagers as
heroes
defending
themselves from armed thugs? Did the GOI
undertake
a
judicial investigation and deliver justice? If they did what was
it?
Did the
Assam rags report on it, the same rags that you wave at
us
today
with the two kids' heroism?
*** What
did the report tell you or me about WHY the
school
teacher
was attacked and/or executed by these so-called ULFA
men?
Because
they did not like him/them? Because he/they did not pay
ransom?
He/they
had some other feud between them? It is obvious you
are
ignorant
of one of the fundamentals of justice that when one is
charged
with a
particular crime, MOTIVES must be demonstrated for
conviction.
Just
because the police says, or the rags report, that it
was
perpetrated by ULFA, (and of course thus all heinous motives
could
be
attributed to them) and so justice is done; is not
adequate
information for discerning viewers to judge it.
Sorry to
see you ( and all those others in your shoes) are
still
not there
yet.
*** Did
the two killers/attackers have brands on their
foreheads
forever
assuring the outraged like yourself that they were
ULFA
and not
anything else? And if they did not, was it
determined
from
investigations, prosecution in a court of law ( not
the
kangaroo
variety now) and justice delivered that indeed
they
were
ULFA, perpetrated the crime on credibly delineated
motive/s?
If so HOW
do YOU or the Agradoot knows that? Did they share
that
info., or
is it privileged info. meant only for the
righteous
like
yourselves?
*** This
is not an argument: But I also want to rub it in on some
of
our
baam-exparts ( wannabe experts) who have contended time and
again
that the
Bodos refuse to be a part of Assam and thus would
imply
that they
also would have no part of ULFA. If so how is it that
these
two Bodo
men are branded 'durdhorxo' ULFA ?
Finally, I will however would NOT hesitate to
declare, that if it was a blood-thirsty criminal act of killing
this teacher in cold blood without any perceptible motive,
perpetrated by some real ULFA cadres, it is unconscionable.
But something tells me there is a whole lot more to
the story than meets the eye. And those of us who are ready to
pass judgement without wanting to know more, if not all about
it, have a lot of growing up to do intellectually.
You asked for it Mayur :-).
Take care,
c-da
PS: I would spare you today on your diatribe against
MRG. But don't expect a free pass next time
:-).
At 11:48 PM -0800 1/19/06, mayur bora wrote:
C' da
Hor are you ? Writing for the first
time in the new
year.
By being 'analytical', I don't want to belittle
the
extreme courage shown by those two boys in response
to
the dastardly and heinous act perpetrated by
'the
sunshine boys' in the name of Assam's
independence. I
will not be surprised if MRG gets
influenced and
starts acknowledging Dhemaji Misdeeds of
your freedom
fighters as 'normal' after reading some of the
recent
posts in assamnet. I can only hope that she
does not
come near a computer in the near future. Like
any
responsible citizen in society, she is entitled
to
have her own viewpoints regarding anything. But she
must be very careful in making public
pronouncements
as she is trying to bring about much needed
peace in
Assam by facilitating talks beween GoI and
ULFA
through PCG. She should not give opportunity to others
to accuse her of derailing the talks in future
by
recklessly shooting off her mouth.
Mayur
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