Re: [Assam] Dainik Agradoot

[Chan Mahanta]

Title: Re: [Assam] Dainik Agradoot

Thanks Ram.

Glad you liked it.

But that tight situation? It wasn't tight really. Would have been, had Mayur cornered me with some contradiction or other on the issues involved. He was merely expressing his frustrations at being confronted with those subtle but very important nuances that he tried to slough off as immaterial to the black and white positions he would have preferred to stick with :-).

At 1:55 PM -0600 1/21/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:

C'da,

 

Though I kinda support Mayur's views on a number of issues, I can certainly applaud you for the nice rebuttal. After reading Mayrur's post, I was thinking, how would I, in your shoes, extricate myself from this rather a tight situation. But knowing you, I knew if anyone could, you would.

 

But, hats off to you for a very well written response.

 

btw: all this is genuine, no sarcasm here - :)

 

--Ram

 

On 1/21/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi Mayur:

 

Santanu has asked the right questions and given you the right explanations too

in re: your outbursts against MRG and her indiscretions as perceived by you and others who do not approve of her meddling and/or strong-arming with the aim of forcing GoI to the bargaining table for a political solution with ULFA. So I won't get into it any more.

 

Since you made ME an issue too, I will try to address that this morning.

 

But important things first: Thanks for the kind words

 

" --he adds variety and colour to the

>canvass of assamnet

 

 

Even though it reminded me of the BH lyrics: "modaarore' ful henw ----- xomaajokew nelaage'---".  But I count my blessings and try not to look a gift horse in the mouth.

 

 

Now for the real stuff:

 

*** You certainly impressed Bhuban Kokaideu with all that courage -- of taking on the acerbic intellectual-terrorist of Assam Net. Maybe you will be remembered by GoI  for the valor awards next Republic Day, with a little help from your fan club.

 

( See what you guys are doing to me?  Egg me on, bait me, and then beat me up, when I take it. Can't win for losing, can I?)

 

 

But enough about my troubles. Let me see if I can't help with yours:

 

>I feel at times one should speak in the same language to give the taste of >their own medicine.

 

*** Can't blame you for the tactic. It is the easiest thing to do in the world, even though not a very creative one. Somehow  taking the tack of " I can do as badly as you, if not worse" seems very much like the GoI approach to problem solving in the NE, as is amply demonstrated by the decades of stonewalling, be it by design or be it by reason of hearing impairment and a pursuit of victory by butchery and bribery.

 

 

*** My pleas on the litany of your charges:

 

        >A. He has time.

 

        * Guilty again! The charge has been levelled at yours truly

        a number of times in the past by other aggrieved netters. And even

        though I bow my head in shame for taking unfair advantage of

        others who don't have the luxury of making the time to respond with

        a substantial rebuttal of my comments/views/charges, somehow I

        have always felt that the gripe is " urohor khong bhoga dhaarit xaara".

 

        But then again, what would *I* know?

 

 

        >-wallowing in intellectual arrogance which few people

        >seem to be bothered

 

 

        * Are you trying to hurt me or something with  the above? Why?

        'moinw ki twmar paani khowa pukhurit bix dhaalisilwhe' Mayur?

        But tell you what. I am long past hurts of this kind. 'Mwr hridoy

        ketiyabai paaxan hoi goise', buisa(my heart has long since turned

        into cold stone)? ( Olop bhaxa logai dilw sol pai-- dai-dwx nodhoriba

        akou pai -- pardon me for taking a little literary liberty,

        albeit on the melodramatic side). But being the good person I am,

        allow me to show you the vulnerable spot in my soft underbelly

        : When you feel the need to  hurt me, come up with an

        ordinary but credible rebuttal.That kills me every time!

 

        >B. He can be thousand miles away from any realistic or workable

        >solution and gets involved only in highly theoretical arguments

        >without perceptible benefit for everyone.

 

        * This time it hurt though Mayur. Because my attempt at sensitizing

        you to the issue of rushing to judge others guilty unquestioningly,

        with nary a concern for due process, a cornerstone of civilized

        societies, and a CAUSE of Assam's insurgencies -- fell flat! That

        you either missed it, or are unable to acknowledge it, lest I get

        credit for. You remain mired in your own sanctimony, choosing to be

        outraged when it is convenient to push a particular political view,

        while ignoring when inconvenient.

 

        And  your protestations about even-handedness, as in

        '--the activities of  ultras  and govt security forces', thus, seem

        like a perfunctory response,a 'xaliki-snan', that is all to

        frequent in our not-too-subtle forum.

 

 

        >C. People say he does not answer any question in a straightforward way.

        >I feel he does not have any answer.

 

        * Why do you think people keep badgering me for answers not to

        mention the straightforward ones, Mayur? Over the last decade, the

        amount of cyber-ink I have spilt submitting to inquisitions of

        people who, as you yourself affirm,  hardly" seem to be bothered", could

        have written a few Bibles.

 

        Can you reconcile the two, narrow the gap between the two conflicting

        claims?

 

        My own, no doubt conceited, conclusion is that perhaps the good folks

        do feel compelled to trap me in my arguments, to rebut my views, and

        to counter their effects on the  feeble minded, the ignorant,

        the naive, those genetically pre-disposed to anti-Indian outlooks

        and other such riff-raff and scum of Assam.

 

        Am I, in my delusions of grandeur, imagining things perhaps Mayur?

 

     

        >But there should be a disclaimer at the end saying that it does

        >not have any practical utility.

 

        * You might have said the last word here. But since the

        perennial sinner could not be realistically expected to play penitent

        or go about sporting a sign on his back proclaiming something like

        " kick me, I am a fool" or anything akin to that, perhaps you who see

        it clearly should add a little footer line to your e-mail templates

        warning the unwary " Beware, C'da is on the loose, don't pay any heed

        to his rants" or something like that.

 

        What ?

 

Take care.

 

c-da :-)

     

                     

 

 

 

 

 

 

At 7:06 PM -0800 1/20/06, mayur bora wrote:

Santanu da

Both the issues are not directly connected. But at the
end of the day, both are outcomes of the turbulent
times many of the people in our homestate are facing
due to the activities of  ultras and govt security
forcess. Let me put it in a straight way
for the sake of clarity. Otherwise C da will get a
chance of propounding his "Damned English Language
Bug" theory.

1. What benefit  have we got due to the mindless
killing of that teacher ?

2. Any sensible human being should admire the valour
shown by those two boys.

3. MRG is entitled to her views on anything under the
sky till the time  it does not create any problem
(obviously not talking about intellectual problems)
for others.

4. I don't know what she exactly said about extortion
recently. But she must be extra careful in her public
pronouncements, otherwise she may be accused in
future. I have not said that she has derailed the
talks. I don't want my ex-teacher in DU to be
unnecessarily indicted just because of being too
emotional at times. I have not lost faith in her till
now.

5. Did I imply anywhere that she will definitely
endorse the Dhemaji killing ? You seemed to have
missed the sarcastic tone and tenor of my earlier post

in respect of this issue.

6. Sarcasm is the backbone of many of the mails of
assamnet (you are of course excluded)as you have

probably observed. I feel at times one should speak in
the same language to give the taste of their own

medicine.

7. Let us take the example of C da's posts on the
issue. What does it show ?

A. He has time.

B. He can be thousand miles away from any realistic or
workable solution and gets involved only in highly
theoretical arguments without perceptible benefit for

everyone. He is wallowing in intellectual arrogance

which few people seem to be bothered.

C. People say he does not answer any question in a
straghtforward way. I feel he does not have any

answer.

D. Of course, he adds variety and colour to the

canvass of assamnet which I personally look forward.
E. I am sure he will keep on doing what he is good at.

But there should be a disclaimer at the end saying

that it does not have any practical utility.

Mayur

--- "Roy, Santanu" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mayur:
> Once again, could you please explain why MRG is
> derailing the talks by shooting off her mouth? If
> you read the newspapers, you will often hear of
> Palestinian suicide bombers blowing up people in
> Israel. After that the press routinely asks Israeli
> & Palestinian leaders whether this will derail the
> peace talks. They often answer in the negative - the
> peace process will go on. This does not mean they
> are condoning or encouraging suicide bombing

> (Sometimes they say this may derail the talks and
> that is a signal that something has gone seriously
> wrong). In this instance of the "ransom note
> episode", she thought it will not derail the talks.
> I am really surprised that someone like YOU should
> think that this means that she thinks extortion is
> OK and should go on.
> I also did not see the point of bringing in the
> story of the schoolmaster being killed to this
> context  - what do you want to say, that MRG is also
> condoning murder - that she is actually the public
> protector of wanton killings? That anyone who tries
> to facilitate talks with the demons in ULFA are are
> morally condoning the murder in Dhemaji - that any
> solution other than a miltary one where the last
> ULFA member is shot dead is actually morally
> reprehensible and unacceptable - is that it?
> Santanu Roy. 
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mayur bora [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
> Sent: Fri 1/20/2006 4:48 PM
> To: Chan Mahanta; Assam Organisation; Roy, Santanu;
> Rajen Barua
> Subject: Re: Dainik Agradoot
> 
> C' da
>
> Hor are you ? Writing for the first time in the new
> year.
>
> By being 'analytical', I don't want to belittle the
> extreme courage shown by those two boys in response
> to
> the dastardly and heinous act perpetrated by 'the
> sunshine boys' in the name of Assam's independence.
> I
> will not be surprised if MRG gets influenced and
> starts acknowledging Dhemaji Misdeeds of your
> freedom
> fighters as 'normal' after reading some of the
> recent
> posts in assamnet. I can only hope that she does not
> come near a computer in the near future. Like any
> responsible citizen in society, she is entitled to
> have her own viewpoints regarding anything. But she
> must be very careful in making public pronouncements
> as she is trying to bring about much needed peace in
> Assam by facilitating talks beween GoI and ULFA
> through PCG. She should not give opportunity to
> others
> to accuse her of derailing the talks in future by
> recklessly shooting off her mouth.
>
> Mayur
>
>
> --- Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>
> > Why don't you share YOUR views with us first
> Mayur?
> > Do tell us about
> > what you think. Of course we expect YOU to be
> > analytical about it,
> > and not respond with some simpleminded
> explanations
> > :-).
> >
> >
> > c-da
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 8:21 AM -0800 1/19/06, mayur bora wrote:
> > >I would like to have response from our esteemed
> > >netters on this news item.

> > >
> > >Mayur
> > >
> > >Mayur Bora
> > >   Chandigarh
> > >
> > >
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