>Insurgents are so, because they DO NOT abide by the rules of
the game played by the so called legitimate govts.
>And thus they cannot be held accountable, however much
you wished or demanded.
>That is why insurgencies are not a permanent solution
to society's needs >for governance.
You have indicated in above that the
Insurgents are acting at least as 'TEMPORARY' solutions to
societies needs or governance.
I failed to see how.
If the failure of the legitimate govt is
in its lack of accountability to the people, how any insurgents who decide not
to abide by the rule and refuse to have any accountability will be even a
TEMPORARY solution for the governance or the needs of the
people?
Common garden variety logic will look at
it this way:
1)The legitimate govt is failing and is
becoming non accountable to the people.
2)The Insurgents come in and doing the
same. It is extorting money from public and spending on its own way without
being accountable to the people.
Now please tell me, how in the
above, the insurgents are helping any governance or need of the people even
TEMPORARILY.
Normally one would think that it will make
two parallel govts, one legitimate and one illegitimate, both of which are not
accountable to the people.
I fail to see how in the above
process the insurgency can be even a TEMPORARY solution for governance
of the people?
It bits my rational
logic.
And when you say,
>That is why
so many are pressing and hoping for a political
settlement.
I believe you are not including the Insurgents in the 'so many'. Because if
you are, then the Insurgents can very well execute the political solution by
stopping Insurgency.
Otherwise, what political solution you mean?
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:25
AM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Dainik
Agradoot
Ram:
Butt right in.
But first things first: What does your thesis have to do with the
QUESTION raised by Mayur?
Insurgents are so, because they DO NOT abide by the rules of the game
played by the so called legitimate govts.
And thus they cannot be held accountable, however much you wished or
demanded. That is why insurgencies are not a permanent solution to society's
needs for governance. That is why so many are pressing and hoping for a
political settlement.
But does that ABSOLVE the so-called 'legitimate' authorities of
their accountability?
You imply it does. If so, why all the gushing of righteous indignation?
They are all the same, aren't they?
I would submit, India's myriads of insurgencies are a DIRECT result of
the misrule and unaccountable nature of desi-governance.
RB's argument is a childish one at best. I would refrain from using a
more appropriate characterization on account of civility. Attempts at literal
interpretation of semantics to argue the merits of an issue such as the
insurgencies of the NE, is a pointless, futile and ludicrous effort at best,
unlikely to persuade anyone to anything.
c-da
At 9:32 AM -0600 1/20/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da, Mayur
Could I butt in a bit:
>*** Did the two killers/attackers have
brands on their foreheads
> forever assuring
the outraged like yourself that they were ULFA
> and not anything
else?
No the don't. But that is the advantage of
being an insurgent.
They don't wear uniforms
They can mix in easily with the
innocent
They can hit and run (and hide among the
innocent)
When its is advantageous, they can claim a
bombing or a murder or an extortion.
If public winds blow the other way, they can
always claim 'it wasn't US, it was the SULFA, the Army pretending to be us
and so on).
RB (Rajen Barua) brought out a very good
point the other day, when you claimed that the ULFA has been running a
parallel government for decades.
If that is so, why didn't this parallel
government SHOW the inept GOA or the GOI what things a government can
do.
Why don't they teach the GOI/GOA a thing or
two about democracy and governance?
All this parallel govt. has shown the
people of Assam is the expertise in the arts of
extortion, murder, hide and seek, and mayhem. If the GOI and GOA
are corrupt and inept, this parallel Govt. shows us the pitfalls of buying
into their 'lofty ideals'.
We often talk about "accountability" (at
least C'da does), and rightly so.
So C'da, why don't you ask the ULFA for some
of the same accountability of where all the money they looted for 25+ years
has gone and all the murders they have committed. (or haven't they killed
anyone innocent at all?).
--Ram
On 1/20/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Mayur:
>By being 'analytical', I don't want
to belittle the
extreme courage shown by those two boys in response
to
the dastardly and heinous act perpetrated by
'the
>sunshine boys' in the name of Assam's
independence.
*** I don't think I or anyone else suggested you
do.
But having stood by the bravery of the two kids, WHERE is the
rest of your 'analytical' assessment of the report?
Certainly not what you wrote below. Or do you consider that an
analytical assessment of the report in the Agradoot ? Personally I
consider that a diatribe, a shooting off of your mouth against MRG,
without any demonstration of any analytical ability on your part. See
Mayur, epithet slinging does not substitute for thoughtful deliberation of
an issue. I would have hoped someone of your caliber, training and
position in society would be cognizant of that.
Anyway, allow me to share MY views of the REPORT in the
Agradoot:
*** I join you in
recognizing the valor of the two Bodo kids.
*** I hold
judgement on GoI's acts of generosity in felicitating
them with heroes'
welcome, if not trash it outright as yet another
thoroughly
hypocritical bit of shameless propaganda.
Why, you would ask
I am sure? For the simple reason of numerous acts
of governmental
terrorism that GoI has perpetrated on people of Assam
while never ceasing
to spout fealty to democratic principles. If you
need further
explanation of it, do ask I will be pleased to furnish.
But be forewarned
:-), that such display of ignorance carries a price
too, of one's
naivete, biases and lack of credibility.
I will add one more
item to it: Remember the case of the unarmed
villagers ( I
forget in Kamrup or Barpeta) a couple of years back,
when they attacked
a group of armed marauders, who later turned
out to be Indian
Army soldiers, without uniform,who then open fire on
the villagers
killing several and wounding many.
Did you hear
of the GoI holding these unarmed villagers as heroes
defending
themselves from armed thugs? Did the GOI undertake
a judicial
investigation and deliver justice? If they did what was it?
Did the Assam rags
report on it, the same rags that you wave at us
today with the two
kids' heroism?
*** What did the
report tell you or me about WHY the school
teacher was
attacked and/or executed by these so-called ULFA men?
Because they did
not like him/them? Because he/they did not pay ransom?
He/they had some
other feud between them? It is obvious you are
ignorant of one of
the fundamentals of justice that when one is charged
with a particular
crime, MOTIVES must be demonstrated for conviction.
Just because
the police says, or the rags report, that it was
perpetrated by
ULFA, (and of course thus all heinous motives could
be attributed to
them) and so justice is done; is not adequate
information for
discerning viewers to judge it.
Sorry to see you (
and all those others in your shoes) are still
not there
yet.
*** Did the two
killers/attackers have brands on their foreheads
forever assuring
the outraged like yourself that they were ULFA
and not anything
else? And if they did not, was it determined
from
investigations, prosecution in a court of law ( not the
kangaroo variety
now) and justice delivered that indeed they
were ULFA,
perpetrated the crime on credibly delineated motive/s?
If so HOW do YOU or
the Agradoot knows that? Did they share that
info., or is it
privileged info. meant only for the righteous
like
yourselves?
*** This is not an
argument: But I also want to rub it in on some of
our baam-exparts (
wannabe experts) who have contended time and again
that the Bodos
refuse to be a part of Assam and thus would imply
that they also
would have no part of ULFA. If so how is it that these
two Bodo men are
branded 'durdhorxo' ULFA ?
Finally, I will however would NOT hesitate to declare, that if
it was a blood-thirsty criminal act of killing this teacher in cold blood
without any perceptible motive, perpetrated by some real ULFA cadres, it
is unconscionable.
But something tells me there is a whole lot more to the story
than meets the eye. And those of us who are ready to pass judgement
without wanting to know more, if not all about it, have a lot of growing
up to do intellectually.
You asked for it Mayur :-).
Take care,
c-da
PS: I would spare you today on your diatribe against
MRG. But don't expect a free pass next time :-).
At 11:48 PM -0800 1/19/06, mayur bora wrote:
C' da
Hor are you ? Writing for
the first time in the new
year.
By being 'analytical', I don't want to belittle
the
extreme courage shown by those two boys in response to
the
dastardly and heinous act perpetrated by 'the
sunshine boys' in the name of Assam's independence.
I
will not be surprised if MRG gets influenced and
starts
acknowledging Dhemaji Misdeeds of your freedom
fighters as 'normal'
after reading some of the recent
posts in assamnet. I can only hope
that she does not
come near a computer in the near future. Like
any
responsible citizen in society, she is entitled to
have her
own viewpoints regarding anything. But she
must be very careful in
making public pronouncements
as she is trying to bring about much
needed peace in
Assam by facilitating talks beween GoI and
ULFA
through PCG. She should not give opportunity to others
to
accuse her of derailing the talks in future by
recklessly shooting
off her mouth.
Mayur
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