Oh Brother Ram!
> They feel that Assam would
be worse off if independent.
*** Let us hear about HOW they will be worse off. And also how
they are BETTER OFF being under Dilli's controls ?
I asked Rajib this question once too, about HOW it is good for
India to hold on to Assam . He must have have forgotten. But I would
like to hear from someone as articulate and as informed as yourself
Ram. Let us go at it! Make your case.
>Consider the backdrop: The people heading
this movement (insurgents) have NOT proven that >they are in the
right direction.
*** Wow! I don't know Ram--this was an invitation for a comeback
that I barely suppressed. I am proud of myself though that I did
:-).
>This 20 odd years of violence as a means
to assert their view points, in my opinion has >shown that they are
worse than Delhi.
*** This is getting interesting. You must know of some things we
don't. Will you tell us WHICH viewpoints of ULFA's you think are WORSE
than Delhi's, and how they are or will make Assam's conditions
worse?
From the sounds of your argument, one would have to conclude that
India has been sacrificing its lives ( the military's) and squandering
its meager resources, in holding on to Assam and bribing its
establishment in the pursuit, merely out of its boundless 'udarota'
and 'bodanyota' ( kindness and charity). I am so overwhelmed Ram --
aaji moi Bharotor proti bhoktit god-god, thanks to your revelations
:-).
>Their thriving on amassing wealth thru
extortions is no feather in their caps either.
*** You have pulled all the stops out today, haven't you?
Now that you did, would you tell us :
>Revolutionaries too must have some code of
ethics - specially when they claim that the GOI >is the big bad
ogre here.
*** No dout! I am sure you have given due deliberation to the
thought. So
would you PLEEEASE share with us WHAT the missing ETHICS are on
ULFA's part, while the same exude from GoI, who is the guiding light
of your dreams for Assam?
>Over and above all this, the leaders of the
insurgency do not have a concrete plan on how >they expect to reach
their goals of a free Assam. Such a plan would be needed to convince
>people.
*** That MAY BE a valid point, I will give you that. But that is
a point that could be made ONLY by people who are willing to accept
the fact that Assam's sovereignty is something that is GOOD for Assam
and that they are willing to support a move to achieve it, PROVIDED a
BETTER plan than what they are reeling under awaits them.
It is definitely NOT an argument for those who make the arguments
and charges like YOU do or Rajen does and a few others do here Ram
:-)! It is merely an attempt to pile on.' Holaa-gosot baagi kuthar'
is what is. Not something something to take pride on if you asked
me.
>But if they feel that the people are ALREADY
convinced, then they should just go all out and >wage a full-scale
insurgency against India (as they supposedly have the entire
state wrapped >in their ideas).
*** WHY should they even HAVE to go on an insurgency? Why
shouldn't the well-wishers of Assam raise their voices and ask the
colonialists to leave gracefully? After all they are there only by
invitation, out of charity for Assam, aren't they? And why should they
remain when their welcome has run out?
>Bad just mouthing the GOI may garner some
support for their cause, but in the end people are >going to weigh
their options. They can't go on saying 'those guys are bad and we are
the >alternative'.
*** Tsk, tsk Ram! Assam does not want GoI out of there MERELY
because they have established and maintained a corrupt and inept
government, but because they also have been stealing Assam's
resources, slowly but surely destroying its indigenous cultures,
making them dependents on Delhi's handouts as a means for perpetuating
its controls, and has been an occupying power over a historically
independent region.
>Remember how the Dems lost (not once but twice) - all they kept saying was Bush was bad - but really did not offer the public any concrete plan as to what they would do.
>Moral of the story is one can't win by
just saying the other guy is bad.-:)
*** Apples and oranges Ram! The analogy does not apply, even by a
stretch.
c-da :-)
At 11:46 AM -0600 2/14/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,
>Those who give at least moral support to those who >are fighting for as noble a >cause as the pursuit of FREEDOM, are doing something constructive, as opposed >to the nay-sayers and the fence-sitters wrapped up in their dubious morality.
While I can accept that to an extent, this same logic can be applied to the nay-sayers.
Most nay-sayers, I know, want the best for Assam. They feel that Assam would be worse off if independent. And that is why they are opposed to what they see as a self-destructive force by the pro-independence group.They too do not want their xonor Oxom vanish into oblivion.
Consider the backdrop: The people heading this movement (insurgents) have NOT proven that they are in the right direction.
This 20 odd years of violence as a means to assert their view points, in my opinion has shown that they are worse than Delhi. Their thriving on amassing wealth thru extortions is no feather in their caps either.
Revolutionaries too must have some code of ethics - specially when they claim that the GOI is the big bad ogre here.
Over and above all this, the leaders of the insurgency do not have a concrete plan on how they expect to reach their goals of a free Assam. Such a plan would be needed to convince people.
But if they feel that the people are ALREADY convinced, then they should just go all out and wage a full-scale insurgency against India (as they supposedly have the entire state wrapped in their ideas).
Bad just mouthing the GOI may garner some support for their cause, but in the end people are going to weigh their options. They can't go on saying 'those guys are bad and we are the alternative'.
Remember how the Dems lost (not once but twice) - all they kept saying was Bush was bad - but really did not offer the public any concrete plan as to what they would do.
Moral of the story is one can't win by just saying the other guy is bad.-:)
--Ram
On 2/14/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >So true, and these damn nay-sayers are just like those who keep egging
> >the 'natives' to strive for independence from afar.
> >In the end, there ain't much difference between the two -:)
>
>
> *** Not so Ram. They are not only NOT the same. Actually there is a
> huge difference. Those who give at least moral support to those who
> are fighting for as noble a cause as the pursuit of FREEDOM, are
> doing something constructive, as opposed to the nay-sayers and the
> fence-sitters wrapped up in their dubious morality.
>
> :-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 10:25 AM -0600 2/14/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
> >C'da,
> >
> >> *** But plenty to discourage, and oppose Assam's
> >>independence >from afar though.
> >> Ever wondered why :-)?
> >
> >So true, and these damn nay-sayers are just like those who keep egging
> >the 'natives' to strive for independence from afar.
> >In the end, there ain't much difference between the two -:)
> >
> >--Ram
> >
> >On 2/14/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > >In any case, haven't heard of any NRAs going back to Assam with that
> >> >purpose in mind or to help her in 'her struggle for independence'.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *** But plenty to discourage, and oppose Assam's independence from
> >>afar though.
> >>
> >> Ever wondered why :-)?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At 9:36 AM -0600 2/14/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
> >> >C'da,
> >> >> But is there no room for these doctors in BOOMING India?
> >> >
> >> >There is room out there. But the lure of the West exists even now.
> >> >At Heathrow one sees many Indians working in menial jobs, and we hope
> >> >these are only temporary (till they get the cushy jobs). But if these
> >> >are career moves, one wonders why someone would travel 5000 miles just
> >> >to clean airports in far of lands.
> >> >
> >> >It may be that 'pride' to show the natives that they are 'phoreners'.
> >> >
> >> >>I hear >there is a reverse exodus in the making -- for desis
> >> >>returning to the >boom town of India.
> >> >
> >> >Yes, there is a reverse exodus, but its not a stampede yet. As soon as
> >> >the immigrants can command similar wages ($ for $ or pound for pound)
> >> >in India, you would see the money trail.
> >> >
> >> >Immigrants will go back only for money (in most cases). I have yet to
> >> >hear of any one going back to 'serve' the desh.
> >> >
> >> >In any case, haven't heard of any NRAs going back to Assam with that
> >> >purpose in mind or to help her in 'her struggle for independence'.
> >> >
> >> >Mostly, its all about cash and more cash and that 'phoren' mentality.
> >> >And we can find enough excuses why we don't go back.
> >> >
> >> >--Ram
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On 2/14/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> Hi Rini:
> >> >>
> >> >> That is pretty tragic.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have seen this report around before.
> >> >>
> >> >> Have only one question: I can understand B'deshis or
> >>Pakistanis' problems.
> >> >> But is there no room for these doctors in BOOMING India? I
> >>hear there is a
> >> >> reverse
> >> >> exodus in the making -- for desis returning to the boom town of India.
> >> >>
> >> >> Something does not sound right. Somebody isn't telling the truth.
> >> >>
> >> >> c
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> At 2:53 PM +0000 2/14/06, Rini Kakati wrote:
> >> >> They came, they saw, they became depressed - that, in short,
> >>is the story of
> >> >> thousands of young unemployed doctors from the Indian subcontinent in
> >> >> Britain, hoping against hope to get a job in the National Health Service
> >> >> (NHS)
> >> >>
> >> >> Living almost in poverty, the doctors - estimated to be nearly
> >>6,000 - have
> >> >> been reduced to partaking free meals in temples and gurdwaras across
> >> >> Britain. Some have been forced to take up whatever work they
> >>can find : in
> >> >> petrol stations or fast-food chains or as supermarket attendants.
> >> >>
> >> >> They all have a message to their counterparts in India who might be
> >> >> considering moving to Britain: think twice, the job market for overseas
> >> >> doctors is no longer as bright here as it used to be until a
> >>few years ago.
> > > >>
> >> >> The situation for these qualified medical professionals is so
> >>grim that the
> >> >> respected British Medical Journal, in its latest issue,
> >>published a list of
> >> >> ailments they suffer from including obessive compulsive disorders, skin
> >> >> manifestations diseases and hallucinations.
> >> >>
> >> >> The doctors, mainly hailing from India but also including some from
> >> >> Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh find themselves in a fix.
> >> >>
> >> >> "With what face do we go back to India and say that we could
> >>not get a job
> >> >> in Britain? We took loans from family and friends to come here
> >>and now that
> >> >> money has run out," Deepak (name changed), a doctor from Delhi.
> >> >>
> >> >> There are several reasons for too many doctors chasing too few
> >>jobs here.
> >> >> The NHS has been facing budget cuts for some years, forcing it
> >>to reduce its
> >> >> manpower.
> >> >>
> >> >> Local medical colleges are also producing more medical
> >>graduates, many of
> >> >> whom find themselves in the same situation as their Indians
> >>counterparts -
> >> >> they are also unable to find jobs.
> >> >>
> >> >> The disheartened doctors refrain from conveying the real
> >>situation back home
> >> >> for fear of loss of face and because their family members
> >>would be shattered
> >> >> to know their fate.
> >> >>
> >> >> A doctor of Indian origin, who holds a senior post in the NHS, said
> >> > > "Hundreds of applications are received for even minor jobs, mostly from
> >> >> these unemployed Indian doctors. Nobody has time to go through them".
> >> >>
> >> >> "You need to show some work experience to brighten your job
> >>prospects but it
> >> >> is extremely difficult to get that work experience. Some hospitals now
> >> >> charge the unemployed doctors to work for a few days or weeks
> >>so that they
> >> >> can then claim some work experience. But that too is no
> >>guarantee of a job".
> >> >>
> >> >> A major reason for the large number of unemployed Indian
> >>doctors, he said,
> >> >> was the increased frequency of holding mandatory qualifing
> >>test called the
> >> >> Professional and Linguistic Assessment Board (PLAB) test. Every overses
> >> >> doctor needs to pass this test before being registered for possible
> >> >> employment.
> >> >>
> >> >> "Earlier this test used to be held twice or thrice a year. Now
> >>it is held
> >> >> twice or thrice a week. The success rate is also higher with
> >>the result that
> >> >> there are now more doctors who have cleared the test but there
> >>are just no
> >> >> jobs going around"
> >> >>
> >> >> According to official figures, nearly 1,000 passed the test in
> >>1998, but the
> >> >> number sprung to 6,666 in 2005.
> >> >>
> >> >> Parts of the PLAB test are held in centres in India while one
> >>part is held
> >> >> in London. Some coaching centres have sprung up in places such
> >>as East Ham
> >> >> where PLAB candidates live in cramped and damp living
> >>conditions - over 10
> >> >> people to a house with cockroaches and bed bugs for company.
> >> >>
> >> >> After passing the test, the growing army of such doctors
> >>remain in Britain
> >> >> to apply for jobs despite facing unemployment, povertry and
> >>discrimination.
> >> >> But failure to get jobs means they need to repeatedly get their visas
> >> >> extended, which puts additional strain on their meagre resources.
> >> >>
> >> >> After 10 east European countries joined the European Union in
> >>2004, doctors
> >> >> from these countries have the right to work in Britain, which
> >>has increased
> >> >> the number of potential applicants for NHS jobs. In 2005,
> >>several dentists
> >> >> were recruited from Poland.
> >> >>
> >> >> Rini Kakati
> >> >>
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