Ramda Your points are all well taken.
As they say in an advt "You can take an Indian out of India but cannot take India out of him". It's the strength of our age-old civilization. All said and done I have great faith in the resilience of this nation, still 90% people are honest and god fearing. We'll be a geart nation in 3 more deacdes and then these very "fault finders" will feel proud about it. Sankaradeva classified people in 4 categories- Odhom- one who finds only fault Madhyam- who finds virtues and faults Uttom- who finds only virtues Uttomuttom- who can magnify and adopt even the smallest of the virtues. Regards MKD On 2/27/06, Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >India's oft criticised education system produced brilliant IITans, > >IIMians, who are manning the corporate world all over. It is this > >system taht produced and provided for scarce resources so that the > >most brilliants could get the best of education and go ahead. Now what > >they are giving back is to be accounted for. > While most of these brilliant IITians and IIMians (whether they are > overseas > or in India) are giving a helping hand in nation-building efforts, there > are > still those who are to ready to critisize the very system that taught them > the skills. Mind you, these "criticisms" are not what one would call > "constructive". These can easily be placed in the category of an endless > fault-finding mission. I think it can be termed as 'khai paat phola' > attitude. > Some of these have absorbed and taken full advantage of the scarce resouces > of a 'poor' Indian education system at some point. And, now of course its > the time to criticize. > > >I think they should comeback and join the system and try to improve > >upon instead of criticising. > Manoj, you are not dreaming, are you? -:) > > >Indian's abroad may be well-off, but will always suffer from some complex, > afetr >one or two generations they will lose identity. > I beg to differ here. Naipaul seem to be still obssessed with India.He is > probably a 6th or 7th generation. > I believe (could be wrong here), there will still be that invisible string > that will exist in many generations down the line that will still look at > India (and Assam) with a certain fondness. That identity will still remain. > > --Ram > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/27/06, Manoj Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Dear Chandanda > > > > Unfortunately the list is correct. But then we must not forget that > > India is a very young country. Its trying its best, and doing well in > > a short span of 59 years of existence. > > > > But look at the brighter side. India failed in birth control. Now it > > has the youngest population in the world (some 35.5 years average). > > While the rest of the world is ageing. Indian's are the most brilliant > > and all the tertiary industries are coming to India to shore up their > > bottomlines. > > > > India's oft criticised education system produced brilliant IITans, > > IIMians, who are manning the corporate world all over. It is this > > system taht produced and provided for scarce resources so that the > > most brilliants could get the best of education and go ahead. Now what > > they are giving back is to be accounted for. > > > > I think they should comeback and join the system and try to improve > > upon instead of criticising. Indian's abroad may be well-off, but will > > always suffer from some complex, afetr one or two generations they > > will lose identity. > > > > "Boga sahibs" took half a millenia to develop their system and build > > up resources by plundering the colonies. Give India another 30 years > > and all the listings will be for USA or the developed world. I am sure > > about that. > > > > As Sankaradeva scripted, "dhanya dhanya kolikaal, dhanya naratonu > > bhaal dhanya dhanya bharata barixhe".. I am very happy to be here, to > > be part of the nation building process. Sri Aurobindo and mother said > > "India's destiny is to be the guru to the world". > > > > The current somewhat discouraging state of affair is because of the > > aberration of the intellectuals with politics. But politics is the > > system that governs us, we have gifted the "xhaxonor baghjoree" to > > some less credited people. But things are changing, we have PM like Dr > > MM Singh, a truly honest man and knows the priorirites of thw nation. > > > > regards > > Manoj > > > > > > > > On 2/27/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >Sorry, I did not relaise you did not like my response. May be you > > > >should say like this: > > > > > > > > > *** What was there not to like? Did you have something there that > > > I missed? > > > > > > > > > >These NRIs are looking for green pastures, and are angry why the > > > >India they left has not turned out to be green >yet for them to > > > >retire. > > > > > > *** Uh-huh! So? > > > > > > >"Thank you for your advise. As you know, I am already in green > > > >pasture in USA. I have not intention of going back >to the brown > > > >pastures in India. And now that you realise, that India is not > > > >green, I would advise you to look for green pastures elsewehere." > > > > > > *** That was not advice for me. It was to the desi-blogger , > > > who is thinking of leaving too. I don't think anybody asked ME > > > anything for me to answer. Did you see any question there > > > that I missed? > > > > > > >You may also give these NRIs another advce. If they wear green sun > > > >glass, they might see the pasture green. That >is to say, lot of > > > >time, it is in the eyes of the beholder. > > > > > > *** What do YOU behold? Green or brown? > > > > > > And that verdict about desi-expatriates making brown of green > > > pastures--was that a fact or should we ignore it? What about > > > the >They deserve to stay and rot in India. and > > > >They deserve to stay and rot in India. ? > > > > > > > > > Take care :-). > > > > > > c > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 2:04 PM -0600 2/26/06, Barua25 wrote: > > > > > In light of above they suggested me to stay away from India and > > look > > > >> for some green pasture. > > > >> > > > > > > > >Sorry, I did not relaise you did not like my response. May be you > > > >should say like this: > > > > > > > >These NRIs are looking for green pastures, and are angry why the > > > >India they left has not turned out to be green yet for them to > > > >retire. > > > > > > > >So your answer should be: > > > >"Thank you for your advise. As you know, I am already in green > > > >pasture in USA. I have not intention of going back to the brown > > > >pastures in India. > > > >And now that you realise, that India is not green, I would advise > > > >you to look for green pastures elsewehere." > > > > > > > >You may also give these NRIs another advce. If they wear green sun > > > >glass, they might see the pasture green. That is to say, lot of > > > >time, it is in the eyes of the beholder. > > > >RB > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > >From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Chan Mahanta > > > >To: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Barua25 ; > > > ><mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] > > > >Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 12:50 PM > > > >Subject: Re: [Assam] More from ToI Blog-1 > > > > > > > >O' Rajen: > > > > > > > >Bor dangor-dangor kotha koi dila dei :-). > > > > > > > >Here are a few counter-points/clarifications: > > > > > > > > ** These are NOT my friends. No reason they could not be. I have > > > > friends who are far more confused. > > > > > > > > ** I posted the comments to illustrate that there are views out > > there, > > > > among real-INDIANS, that debunk the many self-righteous and/or > > ignorant > > > > assertions made by kharkhowa-Indians here in Assam Net. > > > > > > > > > we Indians > > > > > > > > ** Speak for yourself. *I* am NOT one of *you* Indians. My > > nationality > > > > is American and ethnicity is Assamese. I didn't realize you had > > > > dual citizenship. > > > > > > > > ** HOW do you know the writer has not done anything to change > > things ? > > > > And how does anyone go about changing things if the only way they > > > > are familiar with is the way they grew up with? What did you do > > for > > > > example, before YOU left? And what would YOU do if you returned? > > > > > > > > ** The folks who advised the writer are an NRI and an ex-NRI, who > > > > has obviously become disillusioned after returning, > demonstrating > > > > that little has changed, unlike the many assertions of > > > > kharkhowa-Indians. > > > > > > > > >There are many Indians who like to blame everything on > > > >Indians as if they themselves are above it > > > > > > > > *** Heh-heh-heh! Those things sting, don't they? But hurling them > > > > back at me does not work. It is like attempting to hurt a bee > with > > its > > > > own sting. > > > > > > > > >You should ask them if they are looking for brown pasture so > > > >that they can try to make these green > > > > > > > > ** Why me? If you have problems with it, why don't you go ask? > > > > > > > > >These Indians are always looking for green pasture, turn > > > >green by somebody > > > > >else, so that they can make these brown. > > > > > > > > ** Oooh! What a verdict! Is it another sudden discovery, an > > > > eureka moment? Can you show us some examples of how those who > > > > left turned green-pastures brown outside India? Or are you > > speaking > > > > from your own record, thereby cautioning the would-be > expatriates? > > > > > > > > >Your friends are typical Indians. > > > > > > > > ** Tell me something I don't know. > > > > > > > > >They deserve to stay and rot in India. > > > > > > > > ** Now let me see where that deduction came from. They are my > > > > friends. They are typically Indians. Thus they deserve to STAY > and > > > > ROT in India? ------ I see! > > > > > > > > >Let them rest in haven. > > > > > > > > ** That too? You are being really rough on your fellow men, man! > > > > > > > > What's the matter? Got out on the wrong side of the bed this > > morning? > > > > > > > >c:-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >At 11:22 AM -0600 2/26/06, Barua25 wrote: > > > > > > > >> > In light of above they suggested me to stay away from India and > > look > > > >>> for some green pasture. > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >Looks like your friends, themselves Indians, donot know what they > > > >are talking about. I have not seen anything in their statement > > > >which they tried to do to improve and failed. If you analyse, you > > > >will find that what they in fact are telling is that we Indians > > > >(including the friends) are bad, corrupt, divided on caste-religion, > > > >arrogant, unhygenic, and that Indians (including the friends) do not > > > >abide by law and order, do politics in works, etc etc. In light of > > > >above they are telling other Indians to stay away from India. I hope > > > >they are also telling this to their children. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >There are many Indians who like to blame everything on Indians as if > > > >they themselves are above it. That itself is an Indian trait. > > > > > > > >You should ask them if they are looking for brown pasture so that > > > >they can try to make these green, or if they are looking for green > > > >pasture so that being Indians they want to make these brown with > > > >their Indian characteristics.These Indians are always looking for > > > >green pasture, turn green by somebody else, so that they can make > > > >these brown. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your friends are typical Indians. They deserve to stay and rot in > > India. > > > > > > > >Let them rest in haven. > > > > > > > >RB > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > >From: "Chan Mahanta" > <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > >To: <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> > > > > > > > >Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 9:48 AM > > > > > > > >Subject: [Assam] More from ToI Blog-1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> India from view of NR-EYE > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Recently I happened to crush on discussion with 2 of my friends - > > one > > > > > > > > > is NRI, another ex-NRI & now working back in India. Topic was, is > > > >> India the right place for us (professionals) ? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> I reproduce the views expressed by them - > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> 1. There is lot of pollution > > > >> > > > >> 2. India is overpopulated > > > >> > > > >> 3. There is lot of corruption in every field. You cannot go ahead > > > >> without greasing the palms. > > > >> > > > >> 4. There is no customer friendly approach even in private > companies. > > > >> > > > >> 5. You have to struggle for each & every small thing in public > life. > > > >> > > > >> 6. Infrastructure is at its worst - pathetic roads, electricity, > > water. > > > >> > > > >> 7. Politicians have hijacked whole country to meet their ends. > > > >> > > > >> 8. Indian society is highly caste-religion-region divided. > > > >> > > > >> 9. Indians are arrogant in social life > > > >> > > > >> 10. Indians are best in playing politics at work. People come > across > > > >> lots of gruesome experiences of mental torture. > > > >> > > > >> 11. Indians are unhygienic in social life. They don't care about > > > >> spitting, peeing, trashing anywhere in public place. > > > >> > > > >> 12. Law & order situation is collapsed. > > > >> > > > >> 13. Cost of living has gone thru the roof in many metros-mini > > metros. > > > >> > > > >> 14. Salaries don't increase correspondingly. > > > >> > > > >> 15. There is nothing worth anymore to stay in India, since it is > > only > > > >> our family/ parents/ native place is there. Instead it is better to > > > >> move from India along with family (read wife-kids). You need to be > > > >> emotional about your country, your place, your relatives - since > > they > > > >> are not going to fill your empty stomach. You need to be practical > > in > > > >> life. > > > >> > > > >> 16. If you cannot get from your country what you deserve, why > > > >>should you care ? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> In light of above they suggested me to stay away from India and > look > > > >> for some green pasture. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Your views invited. > > > > > > > > >> 2/25/2006 7:28 PM | Legal > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> assam mailing list > > > >> <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected] > > > >> > > > >><http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org> > > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Manoj Kumar Das > > B 109 Gr Floor Rear > > Sarvodaya Enclave > > New Delhi 110017 India > > Tel: 91 11 26533824 > > Telefax: 91 11 26533829 > > Hand Phone: 91 9312650558 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > assam mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org > > > > -- Manoj Kumar Das B 109 Gr Floor Rear Sarvodaya Enclave New Delhi 110017 India Tel: 91 11 26533824 Telefax: 91 11 26533829 Hand Phone: 91 9312650558 _______________________________________________ assam mailing list [email protected] http://assamnet.org/mailman/listinfo/assam_assamnet.org
