Mukul-da,
If India does not need so many soldiers there many options -- the famous "Golden Handshake " is one. Pre-mature retirement (VRS - Volutary Retirement from service) on half pay in the prime of youth . Many would opt out .
Anyway the sepoys/private are retired by the time their youth starts dwindling - in mid-thirties. Only a few make it to Sargents and in officers the retirement age is 40 -- only a few become Colonel or higher.
So the rest come out - and do find increasingly better jobs --esp in school education these days--as principals, administrators and librarians atleast.
Regards.
Umesh
mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
mc mahant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Congrats Umesh for the best summary .Looks like things are going only that way.When Sonia visited Assam for Election appearance, she whispered something --and prompty Tarun blurted out to TV; "It is now clear that in 5 years we will not need Army to be stationed in Assam"But how,what,where will they go?Disbanded? Privatized? Sent as Merceneries? Allowed to go fight with Naxalites? Manufacture Arms/tools/ammo/rocket producers in commercial military-industrial complexes in the now hotly hyped Special Economic Zones? While Delhi will just close their eyes /ears and merely demand Sales tax and VAT and hope to live happily ever after?mm
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Subject: Re: [Assam] IAF to recruit IITians - HT
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 22:59:48 +0100 (BST)
Maybe they should hand over the military management toi some MNC like McKinsey!UmeshPS: Indian military is like an excellent driver with an old battered van to compete in Salt Lake Grand Prix - good human resources --no money to buy weapons etc
Ram Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>Since when has the absence of a coup become the measure of a military's abilities,>efficiency or expertise, Ram?It really doesn't C'da. But what you painted about the inefficiencies in the military, the GOI, mal-governance, corruption at all levels, politicians meddling, total lack of expertise in any field, and top it off with an inefficient govt. which has no clue where its heading - thats seems to be perfect fertile ground forsome errant general to take over the country.So, if one were to subscribe to the above doom & gloom scenario, a logical question is why hasn't there been a coup?Something must be going right - is it that the military is well-managed, or is it the Govt. or it is something else?Just wondering.--Ram
On 5/14/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:are those enemies of India? Aren't they MANUFACTURED ones? Most of them being their own?military institutions, but to say that the Indian military just doesn't possess tech skills or that it can get by without it (as they are not sophisticated) tantamounts to ignoring reality.Since when has the absence of a coup become the measure of a military's abilities, efficiency or expertise, Ram?
At 9:51 AM -0500 5/14/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:C'da,>Unfortunately they usually get a blank check, to squander scarce resources, at the cost >of the general public, purportedly for defending them from them enemies.For a moment I thought you were talking about the US Defense Dept. Jane's Defense Weekly (out of England) does a pretty good job - and is critical when they see fit and necessary.The inherent weaknesses you talk about exists probably in allThe Indian military's never had a coup (and can never have one). If its so disorganized and politicized as you say it is, India would have had at least 4 or 5 coups in the last 50+ years.Can you tell us why there has never been a military coup in India despite all the problems in governance that you often state exists in India?--Ram
On 5/14/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well, if Jane's says so, that must be the last word, right?
But think again Ram. It is also all very RELATIVE. Compared to who?
Indian armed forces are just poorly managed -- dysfunctional, as any other Indian undertaking.
They have many excellent people. But they all will tell you the same story: Poor management and NO management, corruption, ineptitude, political interference, nepotism and cronyism are only some of the high-points. Nothing unique actually. All militaries suffer from that. Unfortunately they usually get a blank check, to squander scarce resources, at the cost of the general public, purportedly for defending them from them enemies.
But WHO
At 9:05 AM -0500 5/14/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
C'da,>I have good friends in all three of those branches. And I know a lot >about the state affairs. They don't need HIGH SKILLS. They need >skills to use what they have.
hehehe - you must be talking about them days of yore :-)Things are a tad different these days. I have read some reports fromJane's Defense analyses (one of the best Defense info sources in the world) which has all praises for India' military and sophistication.
You must be mistaking the Indian military for the B team they usually send to fight militants in Assam :-)
--Ram
On 5/14/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
At 8:35 AM -0500 5/14/06, Ram Sarangapani wrote:
Well, it not just 'drivers' but also in engineering and designers that they would recruit.The Indian Army has an Engineering Corps and so does the Navy.
*** Come now Ram! Are you serious? Indian Army or Navy or Air Force making USE of engineering skills and abilities? I have good friends in all three of those branches. And I know a lot about the state affairs. They don't need HIGH SKILLS. They need skills to use what they have.
--Ram
On 5/14/06, Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
At 7:37 AM +0530 5/14/06, mc mahant wrote:
>IAF Ought to recruit IITians as Planes/systems Redesigners-not drivers.
*** Exactly right!
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>So too what a waste if IITians and IIMians end up as call station
>attendants/website designers!
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