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Umesh:
My plain and simple way of thinking, something to
think about.
May not be too far from the realty.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Mount Everest
Rajen-da,
Thats quite a novel approach to looking at world affairs!
>Nepal would have been a part of today's India if the British had
conquered Nepal.
Not necessarily I think.
Like Burma & Sri
Lanka, Nepal could have still be a separate country today.
The British policy or the
Christian West policy, I think, is to do everything right on
paper or according to the Law. So the main motto of the British, to put it
bluntly, was to create some white Laws to their advantage.
If they want to attack some
country, they will try to make some treaty with that country first and then
will wait for opportunity for that country to break the treaty. Otherwise
they will try to provoke that country to give an excuse to
attack. Without an established excuse approved by all in
democratic manner, they will not move an inch. I think with Nepal the
British could not provoke enough and there was in fact no hurry.
But with Tibet, they were in a hurry and were more serious because they
were afraid that either China or Russia would take over. The
British therefore were trying their best to find an excuse to attack
Tibet. There are records to show that the Chief
Commissioner in Assam started some correspondence with Tibet showing reasons
why the British were not happy with them bla bla bla. There were also
several secret British missions through NEFA to find a route to China
through Assam. The main motive of the British for taking
over Assam was to make sure that they have a free hand to find a
route to China. It was because of this that they made Sadia the center and
allowed the Baptist Missionary to make Sadia the Head Quarter. Later
however this fear vanished and they could not find any excuse. But
Assam, Manipur, NEFA, Nagaland, Tripura all became easy victims.
The same Western Christian
policy is being used by the USA today. That is why they had to create the
proper excuse on paper in a most democratic way to attack Iraq. The fear in
this case was 'the weapons of mass destruction' and the excuse was the
'breaking of the UN Law by Iraq'.
And thus the history of
civilization repeats itself.
Now we Indians have learned the
trick and are doing better than the British. I know many Indians will not
agree with me, but I think India did that very diplomatically with
Bangladesh and are now doing with Bhutan, Sikkim and may be with
Nepal tomorrow.
RB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 1:23
PM
Subject: Re: [Assam] Mount
Everest
Observation: Nepal would have been a part of today's India if the
British had conquered Nepal.
Question: Why didn't the British try hard to include Nepal in the
empire, like the rest of India? Why did they remain satisfied after taking
Kumaon and Garhwal from Nepal?
=========================================================== Ram
Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
I am pretty sure if one took a poll, most Indians would opt to keep
the name Everest.
From the history (that Barua just sent) looks like the British were
the first to take any kind of interest in the survey and calculations
and also to recognize the need for adventure.
No, I would still like the name Everest, and K-22 or whatever
to remain the same.
>Indians never really considered Nepal anything but a vassal
state >of India's. So, if it is something that is in Nepal, but is
getting >noticed by others, desis are perfectly at liberty to claim
it as their >own.
Thats a strange twist. Most Indians, I would think, don't. It could
well be the Nepali psyche thats at fault here.
Here is a story of Norgay. Born a Nepali, everything else he did in
life (and also his son) centered itself around India, and Indians.
Maybe someone will come and tell us how the Indians "stole"
Norgay.
--Ram
______
Profile of Tenzing
Norgay
On May 29, 1953,
Tenzing Norgay and teammate Edmund Hillary reached the summit of Mt.
Everest. Tenzing received instant acclaim for his unprecedented
achievement. He quickly became a global ambassador for the Sherpa
people. Here are a few facts to know:
Born: 1914. This is an approximation based on the Tibetan
lunar calendar. At the time of Tenzing's birth, the Sherpas did not keep
written birth records.
Birthplace: Tsa-chu, Nepal.
Raised in: Thami, Nepal (a village near the border of Tibet,
and close to Mt. Everest).
Family: One of 13 children.
Languages: Spoke seven languages, but never learned how to
write.
Work: 1933 moved to Darjeeling, India, to work as a trekking
porter.
War Years: Indian army ski instructor.
Everest Trips:
1935 First expedition, accompanying Eric Shipton.
1953 Reaches summit at age 39. After
Everest: Opened mountaineering school in Darjeeling, India, to train
other locals as mountaineering guides.
Died: May 9, 1986.
Well said!
No doubt HT proposed the name change to inculcate self-esteem
among Indians. Indians never really considered Nepal anything but a
vassal state of India's. So, if it is something that is in Nepal, but
is getting noticed by others, desis are perfectly at liberty to claim
it as their own. But mind you, it has to be something that is noticed
by the world-- make it the western world. HT is obviously aware of the
desi lack of self-esteem problem. So he was suggesting that it be
re-named after Radhanath Sikdar who might very well have been the man
who did the actual calculations to determine what the colonial masters
credited their man to. Except that this whole idea,of re-naming
things, or tearing down ancient structures (built by them invaders for
example) or building a bridge to no-where or erecting statues in the
imaginary likeness of historical figures and the the like, like
you point out, is well, um, not very bright shall we say?
It is in the same vein as that light-weight general of the
Hinduttwa army attempting to build kharkhowa self-esteem by raising a
statue of Lasit Borphukon
at that military academy somewhere in Tamil Nadu. Light-weight
indeed; certain kharkhowas with abject low self-esteem going ga-ga
over it not-withstanding.
At 1:16 AM -0500 5/15/06, Barua25 wrote:
>"urge the
netters to dig out the history and discuss the matter in
the net"
When you have proposed to rename the peak as Mt
Radhanath, on the plea that radhanath Sikdar did the calculations,
there is nothing for the netters to dig out. I hope you understand
that.
I failed to understand what right we Indians have first
to rename a peak which is even not in India, but in Nepal and
Tibbet. And what we Indian try to achieve by renaming? Any move to
rename anything is political. I hope you will understand that? If at
all it has to be renamed it will have to either Sagarmatha or
Chumulunga. But why? I think the present Mt Everest is as good a
name as one can have. What is your objection to naming Mt
Everest? IncidentlyGeorge Everest himself suggested that it should
not be named after him. Read the book: "The Great Arc : The Dramatic
Tale How India was Mapped and Everest was Named"- John Keay.
I would really understand if you would urge the netters
to instead rename Hinduism as Sindhuism. Hindu as Sindhu or India
and Bharat. That will makes more sense. Hindu and Hinduism and India
are names, a you probably know, coined by the 'mlessas'.
RB.
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