Hi C'da:
Didn't mean to get in here like this out of the blue...just could not help myself. :)
> You don't have to seek anyone's permission for that. Just pitch in where feel it is needed. >After all, you too, as an informed >citizen, will be participating in an independent Assam's >governance.
Thanks for the reminder. We need that every now and then. :)
>After all, you too, as an informed >citizen, will be participating in an independent Assam's >governance
You mean, absolute freedom, like, being able to speak and write, for example? Are you sure? Or is it like, free from one governance and go under another, where you may not even be able to talk?
From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Nayanjyoti Medhi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"Rajen & Ajanta Barua" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [email protected],"Chan Mahanta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Assam] My Take on Why I*********** - III, Trophy or Tool?
Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 11:05:16 -0600
It is already included Nayan. And what is missing you can always fill in. You don't have to seek anyone's permission for that. Just pitch in where feel it is needed. After all, you too, as an informed citizen, will be participating in an independent Assam's governance.c-daAt 10:01 PM +0530 2/24/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote:rajen da,can my suggestions be incorporated? do tell me because that would help in preparation of the future deliberations as regards that topic.regardsnayan
On 2/24/07, Rajen & Ajanta Barua <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Chandan: Theser are not meant for individual reply and spend time in side arguments but to help ypu prepare the final Manin Course and address.
ThanksRajen
----- Original Message -----From: Chan MahantaTo: Barua, Rajen ; [email protected]Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 3:57 PMSubject: Re: [Assam] My Take on Why I*********** - III, Trophy or Tool?
R:
>I don't see any serious debate for or against independence from any side so far. ZERO, ZIPPO.
*** That is because of your and Dilip's admonition to all those chomping at the bit to come out swinging , to hold their horses, till I am done saying my piece.
>I would also hope that you not side tract the issue and would not present more appetizers but will go to >the full course.
*** I will certainly consider that :-).
>that all the Assamese share your views equally.
*** WOW! Come on Rajen. I know I have a big head, but NOT that big :-). Actually I made that clear at the outset that these are MY views. And, trust me, I don't speak for anybody else: Not the Oxomiya Jaati, not the whole or even part of Assam, Not ULFA, not NRAs.
But that is not to suggest there may not be anybody who could be expected to find common cause with MY views.
>In my opinion, Briefly your full course essay should have the following contents.1) Introduction2) What is the problem?3) What reforms we need?.4) Why Independence needed for these reforms?5) How this Independence can be achieved.?6) What is needed for success.?>7) What is the plan?
*** Those are good points.
But I would like to point out a couple of things:
Those who grew up in rural Assam and had some morbid curiosities,perhaps noticed that when the common vultures descend oncarrion, they don't dig into the feast the moment they land. Thereis a hierarchical order in the animal kingdom -- the grunt vultures mustwait for the Roja Xogun/s ( literally the royal vultures -- with theirdistinctive red appendages around the eyes and the throat--also called turkey vulture/s) to alight and take the first bites,usually at the eyes of the carcass.
Or a more contemporary and genteel example would be the feudal fiefdomof the HC Judges in India, where an aggrieved grunt-justice mustobtain His Lordship's say-so, before he or she can lodge apublic complaint of wrong-doing.
In assamnet we don't have such hierarchies. Netters are free to statetheir own positions, as they see fit, in any order they wish, at anytime. They don't need to wait for anybody's blessing.So, DO :-).
>Each of these topic can be really short and may be just one paragraph,*** I would leave that to the discretion of the writer. It is her time and his dime :-).
>For any statement, there should be a back up support in your pocket so that you may counter any >questions from the doubters.
*** That of course would be elementary. I for one, never assert something that I cannot provide a halfway believable explanation for.
>Like when you say, (After the 'andwlon', when AGP came to power, it did not realize that unless it radically >reformed the system they would fall victim to its built-in recipe for failure, of falling into the 'jeyei lonkaloi jai, xeyei >raabon hoy' trap.) here people like me would question the phrase in bold, because you are making >statement on Oxom Andwlon which you did not participate and may not have any clue other than your >impression from remote.
*** I or you and many in our shoes have long been gone for Assam. If MY observation is incorrect, or clueless, how would yours be any different, using the same logic as you use here?
The fact is that, we can observe things critically and draw intelligent conclusions. My absence from Assam, or yours, does not, in any way, shape or form, preclude us from observing, analyzing and drawing conclusions.
That simple.
c
At 12:18 PM -0500 2/23/07, Barua, Rajen wrote:
>All the justifications for i**********e , thus far presented and debated by proponents and opponents alike have been entirely on historical, cultural, ethnic and >natural right components.
I don't see any serious debate for or against independence from any side so far. ZERO, ZIPPO.But I would hold any response and rather will wait for your full course. I would also hope that you not side tract the issue and would not present more appetizers but will go to the full course.
BTW your full course seems to have missed a big 'introduction' which should come before 'why independence', an introduction' which probably you are taking it for granted that all the Assamese share your views equally. But that question can wait to see your full course.In my opinion, Briefly your full course essay should have the following contents.1) Introduction2) What is the problem?3) What reforms we need?.4) Why Independence needed for these reforms?5) How this Independence can be achieved.?6) What is needed for success.?7) What is the plan?
Each of these topic can be really short and may be just one paragraph, but each should be addressed. For any statement, there should be a back up support in your pocket so that you may counter any questions from the doubters. Like when you say, ( After the 'andwlon', when AGP came to power, it did not realize that unless it radically reformed the system they would fall victim to its built-in recipe for failure, of falling into the 'jeyei lonkaloi jai, xeyei raabon hoy' trap.) here people like me would question the phrase in bold, because you are making statement on Oxom Andwlon which you did not participate and may not have any clue other than your impression from remote.
Without a full sized report addressing all the issues, the netters may again get excited to be busy in arguments.This is just to help you so that you donot throw any more appetizers with ifs and but and we donot get into unnecessary arguments but may go to the meat.ThanksRajen
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Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 9:37 AM
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Subject: [Assam] My Take on Why I*********** - III, Trophy or Tool?My apologies for not getting to the part most of my friends opposed to my views must be waiting for - Assam's Own Governmental System".However it is important to set the stage for the main course. So, here I deal with a very important question about this whole concept of i**********e or s********y :-): What is it? Bangalis might ask, Eta ki? Khai-na kaane' pore' ( what is it? Do you eat it or wear on your ear?).Is i**********e a trophy or is it a tool?The answer is that it is both.And readers might ask--SO?The reason I decided to raise this question first and answer it is because of the fact that, thus far, the discourse about Assam's i**********e has been focused only on the TROPHY part. Neither the proponents of independence -- the ULFA, its supporters and sympathizers, nor its detractors, have dealt with the really important component; that it is an essential TOOL, indispensable means to certain ends.All the justifications for i**********e , thus far presented and debated by proponents and opponents alike have been entirely on historical, cultural, ethnic and natural right components. Not that they are not relevant or important. They ARE. For most struggles for independence in recent human history have been fought exactly on these issues.The TROPHY justifications, of necessity, are intangible and could be subjective at times and thus become targets of detractors from the trite to the toxic.But in case of Assam, I would submit, the TOOL component, the indispensable means to certain ends is even more important. It is essential to reform Assam's governance to suit Assam's needs and which is impossible under India's colonial and medieval system. The fact of the dysfunction of the Indian system needs no proving. It is there for all to see and experience.After the 'andwlon', when AGP came to power, it did not realize that unless it radically reformed the system they would fall victim to its built-in recipe for failure, of falling into the 'jeyei lonkaloi jai, xeyei raabon hoy' trap.The key here then is to demonstrate HOW to go about doing it.Next "My Take on Why I********* - IV, Assam's Own Governmental System"cmThe information contained in this e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to whom it is addressed.
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