Re: [Assam] 'Second Tier' Proponents-show your Cards!

[Chan Mahanta]

It is also a fact that when the children get out of hand, a firm 
hand >is required. Maybe thats what is happening because as far as I 
know >hundreds of Crores, if not thousands come into Assam but it 
either >remains unutilized or gets utilized [gets divided I mean]).

*** What are the tools with which the people can deal with that? Can 
you, as a lawyer practising in the High Court enlighten us on that?

Go ahead, give a step by step instruction. Tell us WHAT institutions 
of the Indian state the people can rely on to hold those responsible 
accountable.

Do you know what is going on in regards to the twenty crores plus 
spent on the incomplete Kolakhettro Conference Center? Did you know 
that those in charge, reared and nurtured in the great traditrions of 
desi-demokrasy allowed incompetent engineers from outside Assam to 
design thirty meters deep piers to hold up a tin roof, and that the 
main conference center built with its floor below adjacent grade, and 
then constructed an elaborate network of open trenches to prevent 
flooding? Who is asleep at the wheel? And WHY is it so? WHY is not 
Assam's intelligentsia, people like you, taking it lying down? What 
is YOUR excuse? Did ULFA prevent the intelligentsia from taking 
action?


(The fifteen useful also have a duty towards their loser siblings. 
It >is their duty to correct the losers and show them light and not 
run >away).


*** That is far too idealistic. Would be nice, but cannot be 
demanded. But it is the responsibility of the parents to allow their 
children to go learn their surviving skills. Let them learn to swim 
or sink. Devolve powers, teach them how to manage their own affairs. 
If they fail, it is INDEED the fault of those parents.


 (Exactly the point. The select group of people who want 
independence >are from an era which is unknown to most of the youth 
of TODAY, their >problems do not date back 27 years, they are 
struggling for a place >under the SUN, they want to prove that they 
can do something.


*** What, or WHO is holding them back? Is it the ULFA? Is it those 
who have their fingers on power? I hope you will not go silent and 
explain that.


Now this group of people does not want the inexperienced youth 
of >TODAY to take charge.

*** Is that an attempt at a joke? Or are have we been smoking 
something we shouldn't be?


They have been losing for the last so many years without bringing 
any >Wind of Change in Assam.

*** Xaap hoi khuitsa aaru bez hoiw zaarisa. You atre speaking from 
both ends of your mouth. It may be expected from the clueless. But 
what is your excuse?

Indian government is fighting them , being egged on by the likes of 
you, and you expect them to bring in winds of change? Do you think 
people are idiots to take you seriously?


Have these supporters of independence ever run an organisation 
like >ULFA whose most cadres [who die in hands of the INDIAN ARMY 
or >MALARIA in BHUTAN or MYANMAR] are the inexperienced youth


*** Use your brains and try to figure out why it is so. Not very hard 
at all. But if you still cannot, ASK. There will be people who will 
be pleased to, explain the obvious I am sure.


It had to happen, guess who is among the so called ELDERS of St. Luis

** It is a patently bad idea to take on things one is ignorant about.


Hope you will continue this trend. As they say, I'm Loving It

*** I am pleased to provide the amusement. But it might not be very 
entertaining  if one is not sure at whose cost.






At 8:34 AM +0530 3/4/07, Nayanjyoti Medhi wrote:
On 3/4/07, Chan Mahanta 
<<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 >Do not blame others for Assam's inadequacy. I hear this "Mai-Baap" 
accusation >frequently in the net. If two parents have twenty 
children, fifteen grow up to >be useful citizens and five do not, 
whom do you blame? The children or the >parents?




**** Assam's intelligentsia's inadequacy, like the inadequacies of 
entire Indian intelligentsia is a RESULT of a 'mai-baap' Central 
Govt's colonial accumulation of all important powers of state, with 
the intent of taking care of all those 'children', like the loving 
parents they are, NEVER letting the children LEARN to take care of 
themselves; because they are so 'incapable' (It is also a fact that 
when the children get out of hand, a firm hand is required. Maybe 
thats what is happening because as far as I know hundreds of Crores, 
if not thousands come into Assam but it either remains unutilized or 
gets utilized [gets divided I mean]).


The analogy  of the fifteen growing up to be useful citizen with 
five becoming losers -- obviously because of their OWN DAMN fault as 
implied, is exactly the same kind of screwed-up logic, born out of a 
belief fostered by that same Indian mindset, that success and 
achievements are in the genes, so often expressed in this forum (The 
fifteen useful also have a duty towards their loser siblings. It is 
their duty to correct the losers and show them light and not run 
away).


What would the progeny of a class of people whose secure lifestyles 
were guaranteed by the state for producing virtually nothing, know 
about enterprise, risk-taking, self-government or working together 
for the common good? They would not want the inexperienced, the 
youth, or the unknown take charge of things. What do they know about 
running things? (Exactly the point. The select group of people who 
want independence are from an era which is unknown to most of the 
youth of TODAY, their problems do not date back 27 years, they are 
struggling for a place under the SUN, they want to prove that they 
can do something. Now this group of people does not want the 
inexperienced youth of TODAY to take charge. What do they [the 
select group] know about running things. They have been losing for 
the last so many years without bringing any Wind of Change in Assam. 
Have these supporters of independence ever run an organisation like 
ULFA whose most cadres [who die in hands of the INDIAN ARMY or 
MALARIA in BHUTAN or MYANMAR] are the inexperienced youth)


A classic example of that played out when such ELDERS challenged and 
denied a group of San Francisco based Kharkhowa youth, right here in 
St. Louis, who wanted to hold an Assamese Get-together. Their offer 
was of course rejected, on grounds of inexperience. And the result? 
They bolted from our little kharkhowa xomaaj. (It had to happen, 
guess who is among the so called ELDERS of St. Luis)


Sorry, but had to say it like it is :-). No better way to illustrate 
a point than putting forth real life examples. (Hope you will 
continue this trend. As they say, I'm Loving It)


















At 1:05 PM -0800 3/3/07, Dilip/Dil Deka wrote:



People who detest living as parasites-- better re educate 
yourselves--fast.To become Useful to all.

Who are these parasites? Politicians in Assam? Businessmen? IAS officers?



Ulfa Leaders will have to be supported by each  one in Assam.

ULFA leaders are leaders for ULFA. Who says ULFA represents Assam? 
Why should "each one in Assam" support them?



Pol Pot was not a bad man. In fact one of the best humanistic, 
peoples' Brother. His 2nd/3rd/4th BROTHERS are80+ today-totally 
unrepentant-and boldly blames US policy in Indo-China that led them 
to resort to what they had to.

I can't believe someone eulogizes Pol Pot. Where are the eulogies 
for Hitler and Stalin?



"Shock and awe "- is an essential preamble for a  future 
hard-at-work-for-humanity NATION.

Now I know how you are daydreaming.



Last 60 years wein Assam have had no challenge, no responsibility, 
no demand on us to prove our capabilities.India's Leadership  have 
not had a clue where/how to start undoing all their failures--even 
today!

Do not blame others for Assam's inadequacy. I hear this "Mai-Baap" 
accusation frequently in the net. If two parents have twenty 
children, fifteen grow up to be useful citizens and five do not, 
whom do you blame? The children or the parents?



We were :

taken for granted,rightfully to be robbed,as low grade, sub 
human,"Not having proven track records"

Just like  most of 1st world takes India to be.

Just As 'Hanhor woporot xiyal roza'



 Nation with a shame or a conscience would have not grovelled to 
hang on to us for 27 yrs.

There is a large section of population in Assam that does not want 
to secede. So "grovelling to hang on" is not an applicable 
accusation.














From: Chan Mahanta <<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" < 
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Subject: Re: [Assam] A Question for The 'Second Tier' Proponents
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 10:25:14 -0600

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You need to get your thinking cap back from wherever you left it 
behind  Alpana:-).


Let us say tomorrow ULFA got sovereignty for Assam. Can ULFA govern 
Assam all by itself?


Or let us assume that you bright democracy devotees figured out 
with your steel-trap minded analyses that -- this is it: ULFA is in 
charge, it will use its AK 47s to vote itself into power and 
Dilip's vision of Pol Pot brought to rule over Assam.


How long do you think it could last?


By making these kind of arguments do you think you look make 
yourselves look like smart people ? You have a whole lot more 
imagination than you make yourselves appear to be. Make use of it 
:-). Others look at you as Assam's best. Don't let them down.










At 8:58 AM -0600 3/3/07, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote:

Or, what to do if it is attained. Will there be an election or is 
it going to be a monarchy again? well, what's the difference? It 
could be like - you vote for me, or else....


From: "Rajen & Ajanta Barua" 
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To: "Barua, Rajen" < 
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<<mailto:assam@assamnet.org> assam@assamnet.org>,"Chan Mahanta" 
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Subject: Re: [Assam] A Question for The 'Second Tier' Proponents
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 21:42:54 -0600

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You need  SECOND TIER plan, only if you don't have 'how to achieve' 
the FIRST TIER plan. Is that the case here? We have not seen any 
plan from you, how to achieve 'SOVERIGNTY' yet.

Rajen

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From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Chan Mahanta

To: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Barua, Rajen ; 
<mailto:assam@assamnet.org> assam@assamnet.org

Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 9:30 AM

Subject: Re: [Assam] A Question for The 'Second Tier' Proponents


I was merely responding to the SECOND TIER ideas :-)./


But don't be bashful. If you have some answers or help for the 
second tier, do propose. That will be contributing something useful.


c










At 9:50 AM -0500 3/2/07, Barua, Rajen wrote:

 >*** Why do you want autonomy Rajen?




Did I say that? Please try to stick to your main point instead of 
opening new frontiers of argument with no goal. I have given my 
views Sovereignty issue  I have not seen you moving a single inch 
from there yet.

Rajen



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[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chan Mahanta
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 8:33 AM
To: <mailto:assam@assamnet.org> assam@assamnet.org
Subject: [Assam] A Question for The 'Second Tier' Proponents

I am re-posting a page from assamnet debates from Dec 13, 2004, 
where this 'second tier' thing was proposed by some of our esteemed 
and 'pragmatic' friends.


So I asked the  highlighted question. But no answer ever came. It was like

a 24000 volt live-wire--not to be touched. WHY? Because that would 
lead to examining the issues that gave rise to the insurgency, 
something our ever-so-righteous friends are unwilling to get near 
of.


But perhaps those like Chitta, Nayan etc. will. We will see.





 >Only hope is if we can, in the prsent process, make ULFA 
overground to work for an Autonomous >Assam with the support of the 
Assamese people.




*** Why do you want autonomy Rajen?



What is the matter with what is operating?



What will you do with autonomy? What would your recommendations be 
to the people of Assam as to what they can or should do with 
autonomy? And how much autonomy? What should this autonomy give 
Assam that it does not have now?


cm



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